Thea's Identity

Marc Aramini · 11 Apr 2013, 15:25 · from 2013-April.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 08:25:19 -0700
Subject: (urth) Thea's Identity
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A man could produce a daughter clone from his sex cells if random assortment or doubling was done according to the technique number five describes in fifth head (in theory)- a woman could have only female clones as all her cells would lack the Y chromosome unless genetic insertion and real extra engineering where going on. Scrambling and reassembling a genome is way more complicated (except through sex, of course) than just transcribing the existing pattern in a differentiated cell.  

The challenge for the early cloners was to undifferentiate a cell- freshly fertilized  cell division is not specific, but soon specificity will arise and cloning my liver cell will get you my liver cell. 

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On Apr 11, 2013, at 7:42 AM, DAVID STOCKHOFF <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:

> Almost as an aside, I wonder if male cloning works differently from female cloning here. For one thing, can a man have a daughter clone? I don't see why not, given sufficient advancement, but let's assume not on Urth, if only because it gives Wolfe a way to signal clone identity. I don't see any examples of such.
> 
> For another, why is it that we have several clear female clones but the only clear male clones are House Absolute troopers? Are male clones forbidden? Again I ask, was this Catherine's crime? (and if so, why not Odilo's too? Did he not know? Did she take his cells?)
> 
> This reminds me of various tales in which a king kills all the male babies to stave off a prophecy. At very least, male clones can be used to raise an army, while female ones (aside from anpiels) might be less of a threat.
> 
> Putting cloning at the center of BNS changes it.
> 
> From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
> To: "urth at urth.net" <urth at urth.net> 
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:25 AM
> Subject: (urth) Thea's Identity
> 
> >Antonio Pedro Marques: Is this not a very old idea in this list (that khaibits have 
> >shortened versions of their originals' names), 
> 
> Hmmm, "very old". I've been on the list since the early 2000's I think, so what are you
> trying to say, Antonio? (j/k)
> 
> And in seriousness, the idea came to me a while back in reading Borski's Solar Labyrinth 
> in which he devotes a large section to comparing similarities of BotNS names without much 
> effort to find meaning or significance to the similarity (as for Severian and Valeria).
> 
> The Thecla-Thea and Pelagia-Pega pairings jumped out at me because I'd always been 
> puzzled by the "half-sister" relationship with which Wolfe hits us on the head too many
> times without explanation and the mysterious conversations and veiled glances we see on
> the raft. The idea of hidden clone relationships answers those mysteries for me.
> 
> Of course for those who don't see mysteries in those two scenarios there would be little
> appeal for the clone naming convention theory. But since I do, I feel compelled to trot 
> out the theory every few years when some excuse presents itself. (I'm sure I'll find an
> excuse to trot out my Father Inire or Fish Mouth theories within a few years too).                           
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