Time, Not Cloning

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 02 Aug 2013, 19:27 · from 2013-August.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 12:27:01 -0700
Subject: (urth) Time, Not Cloning
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... and all this leads around to the question of whether Severian (the
Severian we know, who is "not the first Severian") is himself a _khaibit_
or "shadow...thus the real meaning of the title.


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:

> True, but the terminology is well enough known:
>
> To the Ancient Egyptian there is more to human beings than body and soul.
> They have (1) the *khat* (*the physical body*), (2) the *saku* (*spiritual
> body*), (3) the *ab* (*heart*), (4) the *ka* (*double*), (5) the *ba* (*
> soul*), (6) the *khaibit* (*shadow*), (7) the *khu* (*intelligence*), (8)
> the *sekhem* (*form*), (9) the *ren* (*name*).  Some have direct
> connection with "*the realm of the gods*" and one actually exists in "*the
> realm of the gods*".****<http://www.advancedresearchconsultants.com/not5.htm#fig33>
>
> Striking that Wolfe did not use ka for apparent clones.
>
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com>
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2013 3:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) Time, Not Cloning
>
>
> On Fri, August 2, 2013 08:06, Lee Berman wrote:
> >>Jeff Wilson: BTW, I cannot find "khaibit" nor "kaibit" at OED.com
> >
> > I borrowed my definition from this old research document:
> > http://www.masseiana.org/on_the_shade.htm
> > It is a few paragraphs down from the top. Interestingly, it mentions
> > eidolons also.
>
> I thought part of the conceit was that the translator of BOTNS did not
> invent any words, but did use obscure ones that had previously been used
> in English before.
>
>
> > So if I am granted poetic license to interpret the contents of the
> > coffins, I'd say that in
> > addition to Severian, they contain Number Five, Weer, Horn, maybe
> > Latro....I think they
> > symbolize the inclusion of Gene Wolfe avatars within his stories. (I
> > include Horn because I
> > can imagine Wolfe acknowledging that his future works will continue to
> > contain Wolfe avatars).
>
>
> Wolfe's said his insertion into BOTNS is Cyby.
>
>
> --
> Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
> A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
> < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
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