Time, Not Cloning

David Stockhoff · 03 Aug 2013, 00:41 · from 2013-August.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 20:41:28 -0400
Subject: (urth) Time, Not Cloning
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And the simplest way to interpret that is,

shadow = khaibit

khaibit = clone

so shadow = clone and

"The Shadow of the Torturer" = "The Clone of the Torturer"

Take it away, boys!

On 8/2/2013 3:27 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> ... and all this leads around to the question of whether Severian (the 
> Severian we know, who is "not the first Severian") is himself a 
> _khaibit_ or "shadow...thus the real meaning of the title.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF 
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     True, but the terminology is well enough known:
>
>     To the Ancient Egyptian there is more to human beings than body
>     and soul.  They have (1) the /khat/ (*the physical body*), (2) the
>     /saku/ (*spiritual body*), (3) the /ab/ (*heart*), (4) the /ka/
>     (*double*), (5) the /ba/ (*soul*), (6) the /khaibit/ (*shadow*),
>     (7) the /khu/ (*intelligence*), (8) the /sekhem/ (*form*), (9) the
>     /ren/ (*name*).  Some have direct connection with "*the realm of
>     the gods*" and one actually exists in "*the realm of the
>     gods*".****
>     <http://www.advancedresearchconsultants.com/not5.htm#fig33>
>
>     Striking that Wolfe did not use ka for apparent clones.
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com
>         <mailto:jwilson at clueland.com>>
>         *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net
>         <mailto:urth at lists.urth.net>>
>         *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2013 3:09 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: (urth) Time, Not Cloning
>
>
>         On Fri, August 2, 2013 08:06, Lee Berman wrote:
>         >>Jeff Wilson: BTW, I cannot find "khaibit" nor "kaibit" at
>         OED.com
>         >
>         > I borrowed my definition from this old research document:
>         > http://www.masseiana.org/on_the_shade.htm
>         > It is a few paragraphs down from the top. Interestingly, it
>         mentions
>         > eidolons also.
>
>         I thought part of the conceit was that the translator of BOTNS
>         did not
>         invent any words, but did use obscure ones that had previously
>         been used
>         in English before.
>
>
>         > So if I am granted poetic license to interpret the contents
>         of the
>         > coffins, I'd say that in
>         > addition to Severian, they contain Number Five, Weer, Horn,
>         maybe
>         > Latro....I think they
>         > symbolize the inclusion of Gene Wolfe avatars within his
>         stories. (I
>         > include Horn because I
>         > can imagine Wolfe acknowledging that his future works will
>         continue to
>         > contain Wolfe avatars).
>
>
>         Wolfe's said his insertion into BOTNS is Cyby.
>
>
>         -- 
>         Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com
>         <mailto:jwilson at clueland.com> >
>         A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
>         < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
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