silk, the dancing toy, gods in the tunnels
Marc Aramini · 28 Aug 2013, 16:02
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From: marcaramini at yahoo.com (Marc Aramini) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (urth) silk, the dancing toy, gods in the tunnels In-Reply-To: <1377705571.39663.YahooMailNeo at web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <BLU175-W50BEF2A28325528F40DA17CF4A0 at phx.gbl> <1377705571.39663.YahooMailNeo at web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1377705746.61706.YahooMailNeo at web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> all of which begs the question, I suppose, of what we are to make of the authorial voice in the afterwords to the New Sun books ... part of the fictional allusive text or just a rationalization/way to put in a bit more information?? Interesting that they are completely absent in Long/Short Sun. ________________________________ From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 8:59 AM Subject: Re: (urth) silk, the dancing toy, gods in the tunnels ________________________________ From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> To: "urth at urth.net" <urth at urth.net> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 10:58 AM In addition to what has already been posted about dogs as gods, I tend to take a meta-interpretation of it in addition to the other suggestions. Many agree that Wolfe inserts dogs and wolves throughout his stories as a sort of self-reference.? Perhaps these dogs as gods is a reference to his own status as the creator of the universe we are inhabiting as we read. Wolfe's familiarity with gnostic principles seems unquestionable, so I don't think it escapes him that as he writes, he is functioning as a Demiurge. Perhaps the dogs/gods are a recognition that while he is the creator of this universe, he acknowledges that he is a false (and perhaps evil) god and that the one true, spiritual God above all should always be recognized foremost. ??? ??? ??? ? ??? ??? ? _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List To post, write urth at urth.net Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net/ Well, I suppose we might as well talk about the meta- features of Wolfe.? His wife's name is Rosemary, his last name is Wolfe- clearly the matching of vegetable and animal is ensconced in that very real world nomenclature, and contributed to his naming scheme in Long Sun.? He has embedded his name in many of his stories (the pun on Gene and Sis making worlds in "Creation", though he is an only child in real life) ... but still ... I just don't like the meta level to make interpretations about plot, more as an aside, especially in the solar cycle.? Things like "The Last Thrilling Wonder Story" (unless I am misremembering it) are overtly metafictional, but I think his solar cycle operates on that level almost exclusively as punny asides rather than, say, central answers to mysteries. I feel like if he were just a tad bit more postmodern we could find him in the tunnels, but I feel there is such a complete awareness of the solar cycle as a real, legitimate universe that is not reducible to the postmodern "all this is just the creation of GW, you know it, I know it, here is the artificiality on display" that to some degree we should keep separate the author as character and his created world. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20130828/a21d5a4b/attachment.htm>
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