"been teaching literature for over 35 years"

aaron · 06 Sep 2013, 01:41 · from 2013-September.txt.gz

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From: aaronsingleton at gmail.com (aaron)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 21:41:55 -0400
Subject: (urth) "been teaching literature for over 35 years"
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Saw this first on facebook.  After I read the article and realized the
comments were closed, I left a comment on David Langford's FB post linking
to it.  In my comment I mentioned this person's inaccurate assumption that
there is no moon in the New Sun world.  The fact that it's green makes this
person's comments even funnier.  And Orson Scott Card?  Please.


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Christopher Simon
<kierkegaurdian at gmail.com>wrote:

>  I highly doubt Cook actually read BOTNS. He seems to have barely
> skimmed, picked a few elements, and gone nuts. Seriously, how can you miss
> the etymological root of "Lune"? Makes me think he didn't read enough to
> see it mentioned.
>  ------------------------------
> From: Urth <jordonflatourth at gmail.com>
> Sent: 9/5/2013 7:27 PM
>
> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Subject: Re: (urth) "been teaching literature for over 35 years"
>
> I haven't posted to the list in a long while, but reading this made me
> spit coffee all over the keyboard, in hilarity and horror.  "...a long
> fairy tale inserted inserted into the middle of the novel that goes nowhere
> and adds absolutely nothing..."
>
> I pity anyone with him as a professor.  I hope they all read this blog
> post.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 5, 2013, at 3:42 PM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Here's another gem:
> >
> > "(Let?s set aside the morality of investing our interest in a character
> who tortures people. Remember, the violence in Wolfe is partially
> influenced by the overt violence in the early 1980s of Orson Scott Card.
> *Card?s touch is everywhere in these books.*)"
> >
> > On 9/5/2013 6:36 PM, Christopher Simon wrote:
> >> "Bujold tips her hand in the eloquence of her language (normally a good
> thing) and the attention to detail that only women would find attractive:
> balls, courts, military dress, palace intrigues, gossiping, and whispering
> in the corridors."
> >>
> >> Kinda sexist too, isn't he?
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> From: Jeff Wilson <mailto:jwilson at clueland.com>
> >> Sent: 9/5/2013 5:52 PM
> >> To: urth at urth.net <mailto:urth at urth.net>
> >> Subject: (urth) "been teaching literature for over 35 years"
> >>
> >> Paul Cook has a ranty go at books he doesn't consider SF, including
> BOTNS.
> >> He considers the presence of medieval and Arthurian tropes with poor
> sfnal
> >> world building like the Urth failing to wobble from the lack of a moon
> >> (!!) to be false advertising.
> >>
> >> http://amazingstoriesmag.com/2013/09/science-fiction-science-fiction/
> >>
> >> Alas, the site editor has blocked comments after a torrent of
> >> coutner-ranting, but has offered to publish a suitably impersonal
> >> counter-column submission.
> >>
> >> Would anyone like to join me in compiling some quotes and citations that
> >> poke holes in some of his underinformed opinions?
> >>
> >> in particular:
> >>
> >> - there's no moon, so the earth should wobble
> >> - vulcanism has ceased
> >> - mountain raising (tectonics) has ceased
> >> - extreme antiquity (millions or billions of years)
> >> - subduction zones have stopped removing carbon from the atmosphere
> >> - events in vast antiquity not referred to, antiquity "not used"
> >> - "Book Two has a long fairy tale inserted in the middle of the novel
> >> that goes absolutely nowhere and adds nothing to the novel"
> >>
> >> It would be best to stick to the original 4 volumes and the pre-Urth
> >> short-stories if we can.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
> >> A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
> >> < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
> >>
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Aaron Singleton
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