Five Severians - Severian-as-Clone
David Stockhoff · 20 Dec 2013, 14:16
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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:16:47 -0500 Subject: (urth) Five Severians - Severian-as-Clone In-Reply-To: <d5f8590c9dfc509e7a630b96e167efdd.squirrel at webmail.prismnet.com> References: <CAHS3GWe0v5uRgVJzdf9HXnEc66Kpr_mCDYc3CHhLEVzGdf_pyw at mail.gmail.com> <CAHS3GWfLNO=FncLGyXqpYy6tea2nv2au5CSRgT_BYqLvZ8pV=g at mail.gmail.com> <d5f8590c9dfc509e7a630b96e167efdd.squirrel at webmail.prismnet.com> Message-ID: <52B4514F.2030106 at verizon.net> On 12/20/2013 12:21 AM, Jeff Wilson wrote: > I don't personally see how Severian would ever be a clone. He *is* an > aquastor duplicate for two stretches of URTH's narrative, as demonstrated > by the dead material bodies left behind. That could account for two of the > closed coffins, the third might be from his drowning/not drowning at the > opening of SHADOW. He records Juturna saving him, but perhaps she lifted > his clinically dead body from the murk into the light where the White > Fountain empowered his gift. > > Aquastored - fall on Ship, killed by Stone Villagers > > self-raised - avern duel and earthquake in the citadel, possibly drowning > in Gyoll > > please fill in any others, it's late here. > On the Ship, he clearly leaves his ruined body behind, so only that and the stoning should count as deaths. But since 5 is the Number of Man, it works best for there to be exactly four "real" deaths and for the final death to be transcended. I'm still not sure how to count them to get four---whether our Severian is #4 or he is #2 with bonus lives. Are aquastorized Severians and re-cycled Severians on the same level---are the coffins for murdered Severians or only for judged and discarded Severians? A simpler idea than the Severian-iteration theory may be that the five coffins represent five chances for a single Severian. After all, what's the real difference between resurrecting him/letting him resurrect himself and starting him all over? Death is surely a lesser error than not passing the Test, but it's impossible to gauge how much effort is required from the puppetmasters for each level of intervention if they control all time and space. Finally, if Ossipago, Famulimus, and Barbatus did build the mausoleum, knowing how many coffins were needed (give or take one), then the mausoleum would already be thematically associated not only with deep time but also with backwards time, i.e., premonition. And that's what Severian feels there, although not as explicitly as in the tunnels under the Atrium. But the mausoleum itself is traveling forward, not backward, and so the three occupied coffins are not lives to come but lives already expended. Our Severian must be the ultimate or penultimate one, or there is no point in telling his story.
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