Conditional Concession to Lee

Marc Aramini · 09 Sep 2014, 18:49 · from 2014-September.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at gmail.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:49:03 -0700
Subject: (urth) Conditional Concession to Lee
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Rudesind at one point says that he was "supposed" to tell Severian
something but then messes it up. I don't mind the ape associations with
Inire at all (how else to describe all those apes just hanging around in
weird places?), but geez associating other characters with Inire always
rubbed me the wrong way ... even if they were described as ape-like

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com <
jwilson at clueland.com> wrote:

> On 9/9/2014 11:06 AM, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
>>
>> On 08/09/2014 19:08, Lee wrote:
>>
>>  Wolfe is careful to put such Earthian references only in the hands of
>>> certain key Urth individuals who are likely to be privy to them, e.g.
>>> Jonah as mentioned, Father Inire/Rudesind, for the Apollo moon
>>> painting, Dr. Talos for Frankenstein, etc. Please remind me if I have
>>> overlooked any Earth reference from a non-spacefaring, general
>>> populace sort from Urth (i.e. with a Saint name).
>>>
>>
>> Thecla's sister Thea is an exultant, so perhaps not of the common
>> populace, but she is aware of the fact that 'present' meant 'now' and
>> 'gift' in English.  I assume she learned it in history class.
>>
>
> I've long been one of the people pooh-poohing Lee's notion of Inire as a
> multiple creature and shapeshifter like Tzadkiel, despite them being at
> opposite extremes of the visible Yesodi ranks.
>
> However, seeing the juxtaposition of classes and people here reminds me
> that Inire is the supplier of cloning and bestifying/anthopofying
> technology with his hands in the khaibits and the anpiels and mastiffmen.
> So he does have something of these abilities, only as lab technology rather
> than an inborn ability like the Hierogrammates.
>
> So, perhaps Rudesind is rather a *clone* of Inire himself, explaining
> their similarity of simian build. This  goes for the other suspects like
> the autocthonous shaman and Isangoma. This also explains how a short-lived
> hierodule has served a thousand years. And we know for sure he has
> memory-transfer potions, gobble-gobble!
>
>
> --
> Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com >
> A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
> < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
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