Plant/Animal

Marc Aramini · 16 Sep 2014, 15:02 · from 2014-September.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at gmail.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 08:02:51 -0700
Subject: (urth) Plant/Animal
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Anyway, as I think Andrew Mason surmised long ago, the half vegetable
Spring Wind is Mars/March, son of Early Summer/June/Juno, Bird of the Wood
is Rheas Silvia (whom Mars begets Romulus and Remus upon) ...
so how is the Green Man related to Mars? The name of Mars is Verthandi now,
eh? hmmm

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes ... it seems that Spring Wind is much more Green Man than Typhon ...
> and I have noted the Green Man feeds off the light of the New Sun in
> something I am writing up now.
>
> The story of Hyacinthus, where flowers spring up from blood, is vital to
> the Short Sun universe ... somehow this Spring Wind story is its opposite,
> I think. A cyclic kind of communion is implied. fruit to wine to blood,
> returning to flowers.  Severian's blood on that thorn also somehow
> completes the Eucharistic cycle.
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Marc Aramini: Spring Wind being half plant caught me a bit off guard -
>>
>> >I obviously hadn't read that since I devised the man-tree hybrid scheme
>>
>> >of  Short Sun.  Definitely those embedded stories would have told us the
>> real
>>
>> >plot and its denouement in a world in which Urth of the New Sun was never
>>
>> >written, but they are still somewhat opaque in their syncretic blending
>> of stories
>>
>> >of Mowgli, Moses, myth, and more.  What is the Red Flower, the rose
>> without thorns,
>>
>> >which gives birth to Spring Wind?  Severian's Claw of the Conciliator
>> probably winds up
>>
>> >being the thorn of a flower dipped in his blood.
>>
>>
>> IIRC you connect this theme to the Vironese custom of plant naming of
>> women and animal
>>
>> naming of men. Also to the connection between botanic parasitic
>> vine/multi-limbed trees
>>
>> and the zoological parasitic inhumi/multi-limbed Neighbors.
>>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure you've mentioned noticing that early in Shadow of the
>> Torturer, Severian
>>
>> describes anticipating a certain light (New Sun) which "engendered life
>> in whatever
>>
>> objects it fell upon, so that a leaf plucked from a bush grew slender
>> legs and waving feelers..."
>>
>>
>> I think you've connected all this to the original Transfiguration which
>> involved Jesus emitting
>>
>> mystic beams of light signifying his (Conciliatory) status as bridge
>> between heaven and earth.
>>
>> The Transfiguration continuing to be symbolized by a conversion of the
>> grape and grain plant
>>
>> products to the animal products of blood and flesh.
>>
>>
>> But I am hoping you include also the Green Man in the constellation of
>> elements to this theme.
>>
>> Not only because of his combined nature of plant and animal essence, and
>> his ostensible origin
>>
>> from the New Sun light.
>>
>>
>> But also because of The Green Man as a pagan deity connected to Great God
>> Pan and Dionysus
>>
>> worship for which there are undertones and hints throughout the entire
>> Sun Series and which
>>
>> probably represents the connection between Judeo-pagan wine reverence and
>> its importance to
>>
>> Christianity.
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Man
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