resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative lineage for Sev

António Marques · 02 Oct 2014, 14:14 · from 2014-October.txt.gz

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From: entonio at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ant=C3=B3nio_Marques?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:14:54 +0100
Subject: (urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative
 lineage for Sev
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And Christ performed miracles through faith, not by the use of some magical
power belonging to himself.

On 2 October 2014 15:04, Brad Henry <bradhenry101 at gmail.com> wrote:

> And part of catholic teaching is that saints are not simply 'controlled by
> christ' in their working of miracles (many saints have performed miracles
> like severian') but they are in the process of 'theosis' (or, sometimes
> called 'divination'), being made into gods, that culminates in their
> resurrection to immortality. It is a christian quip: "God became man, so
> that man might become (a) god." The traditional biblical cite for this is 2
> Peter 1.3-4.
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is obvious, but for me the miracles make him pretty explicitly a
>> Judeo-Christian wonderworker/savior with a little sin and torture thrown in
>> for good measure (bleeding from the forehead when he sees the many
>> eye-winged butterfly, turning water to wine, resurrecting the dead,
>> healing, carrying a huge cross shaped torture device which is occasionally
>> planted in the ground, being tempted by Satan almost verbatim (but never,
>> say, transforming into an animal like a Pagan god)) - my earliest
>> impression when I was a young boy was not that he was a normal person but a
>> Christ.  The pagan gods are the unnatural creatures in New Sun whose
>> mythologies are incorporated and transformed into Christian stories [such
>> as the flood and the story of Genesis]. (At least throughout The Book of
>> the New Sun).
>>
>> I never fancied Sev ordinary. While clearly Wolfe loves playing with
>> mythical creatures, the importance of his Catholicism to his works
>> shouldn't be understated.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 2, 2014, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:35 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Severian is a (pagan) god. He has a presentiment of it at the beginning
>>> of his story but by the end
>>>
>>> of Citadel, we are meant to understand that he was The Conciliator and
>>> he will be The New Sun.
>>>
>>>
>>> By the end of Urth of the New Sun we also understand that in addition to
>>> his superhuman healing
>>>
>>> powers, he was also worshipped as Apu Punchau, he can breathe
>>> underwater, he can travel through time
>>>
>>>  he is immortal (though not invulnerable), and at the very end he once
>>> again finds himself worshipped as
>>>
>>> a god.
>>>
>>
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