resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative lineage for Sev

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 10 Oct 2014, 15:23 · from 2014-October.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 08:23:19 -0700
Subject: (urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative
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Frederick - if Moses didn't have free will, he wouldn't have smote the rock
a second time...

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson <
NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:

>  Of course God has free will.  But not Moses, as far as I can tell.
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> I?m of course talking ideal religious philosophy.  Most of the people I
> know couldn?t give a good god damn what the Bible says.  They think the
> Bible is inerrant, which means that what conservative talk radio says the
> Bible says is inerrant, and never mind the words in the Book.  On
> Conservapedia they have a version of a Bible with all the Liberal Lies
> removed.  (For example, Jesus didn?t forgive the Second Thief, because He
> wasn?t Soft On Crime.)
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> Rick Norwood
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> *From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Ant?nio
> Pedro Marques
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 9:22 AM
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an
> alternative lineage for Sev
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> The Bible is big enough to have a bit of everything in it. Catholics
> consider that faith is what sustains the Bible, rather than the reverse, so
> they're happy to read everything in it in light of Matthew 22:40. (That's
> an important difference from other religions on the approach to Scripture.
> Yes, it isn't always lived up to, but you can end any argument with it.)
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> (Being a Catholic is very different from being a Protestant when it comes
> to the 'ethos'. Gerry's account of what it means to be Catholic in Ireland
> is in line with what I know of being Catholic everywhere else. NB that
> Gerry, last time I heard, was not a believer in God or Church.)
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> In Exodus there is the part where God tells Moses He will abandon His
> people, because otherwise He'll become so angry at their behaviour that
> He'll smite them all. Moses reasons with Him not to do that. I find that
> throws an interesting light on the issue of free will.
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> And I actually think free will is central to an understanding of God and
> Catholic doctrine. In that regard, have you read St Augustine's book on the
> issue?
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> No dia 10/10/2014, ?s 13:06, "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <
> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> escreveu:
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>  I?m aware that many people believe this.  In fact, I believe it up to a
> point.  (Our free will is very limited, maybe limited only to the power to
> say No to temptation.)  What I said was there is nothing in the Bible to
> suggest that.  (Desert peoples tend to believe in Kismet, not free will.)
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> Rick Norwood
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> *From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net
> <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] *On Behalf Of *Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 09, 2014 12:38 PM
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an
> alternative lineage for Sev
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> Frederick, no. God did not "decide" who would be damned/saved; He *knew*
> who would be damned/saved. There is a key difference. He creates beings
> with free will, but because of omniscience and His position outside of
> Time, he knows in advance what they will do and how He will respond to
> those actions.
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