Latro

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 24 Apr 2015, 15:57 · from 2015-April.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:57:13 -0700
Subject: (urth) Latro
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Ummmm.

Not to be argumentative, but, no, Jesus' ministry was *not* an attack on
Judaism; to the extent that it was an attack at all, it was an attack on
the hypocrisy of the priestly class. But Jesus did not see himself as
destroying Judaism ("...not one jot or tittle of the Law shall be taken
away...") but fulfilling it.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Marc Aramini: ... a trial run full of human suffering which will lead to
> the shifting from pagan gods
>
> >to Christian monotheism as the pagan gods are reconciled to a new divine
> order)
>
>
> Sounds also like a summary of the entire Sun series to me.
>
>
> >Mo Holkar: Of course Wolfe was thinking of the play on latro in Latin
> meaning thief, while
> >latreia in Greek means worship: but it seems a bit of a stretch of
> inference to see hidden
> >meaning in the "mono-" prefixed version specifically?
>
>
> I think David was just providing an example to direct our attention to the
> Greek root word with the
>
> prefix tagging along for the ride. [Edit- ah yes, David confirms this]
>
>
>
> Since, as Dan'l mentions, "latria" is an important word in Catholicism, I
> find it completely plausible that Wolfe
>
> had both the thief and worship meanings in mind.
>
>
> >Dan'l Danehy-Oakes: Latria is the worship to which only God is
> entititled; what we offer to the saints in general
>
> >is "dulia," respect or reverence, and to Mary, "hyperdulia," extreme
> reverence.
>
>
>
> >David Stockhoff: Yes: thief/mercenary + worship(er) seems an interesting
> combination. Especially given how Latro
>
> >seems to have received his head wound: despoiling a shrine after a
> battle, IIRC.
>
>
> Was Jesus, who had his own head wound, not crucified, flanked by two
> "thieves"? Jesus' ministry was an attack on
>
> the prevailing Judaic religion of his time. And Jesus had his own fit of
> anger in the Temple. Wolfe has cited this
>
> episode, where Jesus whips the moneychangers, as evidence The Saviour had
> spent some time as a torturer.
>
>
>
> >David Stockhoff:  I didn't know that meaning of "-dule," which I have
> always seen rendered as "slave."
>
> >Hierodules need not be slaves at all. In fact, if they are analogous to
> saints, it might be debatable
>
> >whether they are meant to give reverence or receive it. Or both
>
>
> "Both" is the perfect description of the relationship between Barbatus &
> Famulimus and Severian. Not to mention
>
> that Tzadkiel him/herself owns to having been Severian's acolyte in a
> previous iteration.
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