Latro

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 24 Apr 2015, 18:37 · from 2015-April.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:37:37 -0700
Subject: (urth) Latro
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Actually, there is one notable anti-gay statement in the NT, but it's Paul,
not Jesus.

And you're right to wonder how many wives the Sanhedrin might have had;
Paul says that an elder (presbyter, priest) should have only one.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Dan'l Danehy-Oakes: Not to be argumentative, but, no, Jesus' ministry was
> *not* an attack on
> >Judaism; to the extent that it was an attack at all, it was an attack on
> >the hypocrisy of the priestly class. But Jesus did not see himself as
> >destroying Judaism ("...not one jot or tittle of the Law shall be taken
> >away...") but fulfilling it.
>
>
> I won't take it as argument but as a point of discussion. It wasn't the
> main point of my post, so
>
> I didn't elaborate. But in fairness I didn't just say "Judaism", I  said:
>
>
>
> >Jesus' ministry was an attack on the prevailing Judaic religion of his
> time.
>
>
>
> By which I meant the practice of Judaism as administered by the priestly
> class of Judea. The
>
> Sanhedrin made it clear they weren't happy with Jesus' ministry and
> considered it a threat. Even
>
> today, there are certain Christians AND Jews who deny Jesus was jewish.
>
>
>
> I think there were times when the words of Jesus imply he considered his
> goal to be bringing
>
> back a lost purity to Judaism. Though the Old Testament consistently
> implies that the Hebrews were
>
> a constant disappointment to God. (small wonder that guilt is an important
> part of being jewish ;- ))
>
>
>
> But other times Jesus seemed to acknowledge that he was bringing something
> new to the table
>
> (even if fulfilling ancient prophecy). For some reason Luke 12:51 and
> Matthew 10-34 come to mind,
>
> where Jesus notes that he has not come to bring peace but rather division
> and a sword- setting family
>
> members against each other, etc.
>
>
>
> I take this as a, if not transparent, then translucent way of Jesus saying
> that he expected his ministry
>
> to create divisions between the jews who were doing things the current way
> vs. those planning to follow
>
> Jesus and how he expected things to be done differently in the future.
>
>
>
> What changes were expected? No more "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth"
> but rather "turn the other cheek"
>
> to use the oft-cited example.  There are quite a few homophobic
> statements, acceptance of polygamy,
>
> glorification of war, use of maiming and dismemberment as legal
> punshments, etc. in the Old Testament,
>
> but not in the New Testament.
>
>
>
> So I have to wonder how many wives those Judean priests had......
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