Latro

David Stockhoff · 26 Apr 2015, 14:32 · from 2015-April.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:32:17 -0400
Subject: (urth) Latro
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And no one is more gossipy than "the gays." Worse than a houseful of wives!

On 4/24/2015 4:08 PM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote:
>
> Yes, Paul has an anti-gay statement.  He says that gays are as bad as 
> gossips!
>
> Rick
>
> *From:*Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Dan'l 
> Danehy-Oakes
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2015 2:38 PM
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) Latro
>
> Actually, there is one notable anti-gay statement in the NT, but it's 
> Paul, not Jesus.
>
> And you're right to wonder how many wives the Sanhedrin might have 
> had; Paul says that an elder (presbyter, priest) should have only one.
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:severiansola at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >Dan'l Danehy-Oakes: Not to be argumentative, but, no, Jesus' ministry 
> was *not* an attack on
> >Judaism; to the extent that it was an attack at all, it was an attack on
> >the hypocrisy of the priestly class. But Jesus did not see himself as
> >destroying Judaism ("...not one jot or tittle of the Law shall be taken
> >away...") but fulfilling it.
>
>
> I won't take it as argument but as a point of discussion. It wasn't 
> the main point of my post, so
>
> I didn't elaborate. But in fairness I didn't just say "Judaism", I  said:
>
>
>
> >Jesus' ministry was an attack on the prevailing Judaic religion of 
> his time.
>
>
>
> By which I meant the practice of Judaism as administered by the 
> priestly class of Judea. The
>
> Sanhedrin made it clear they weren't happy with Jesus' ministry and 
> considered it a threat. Even
>
> today, there are certain Christians AND Jews who deny Jesus was jewish.
>
>
>
> I think there were times when the words of Jesus imply he considered 
> his goal to be bringing
>
> back a lost purity to Judaism. Though the Old Testament consistently 
> implies that the Hebrews were
>
> a constant disappointment to God. (small wonder that guilt is an 
> important part of being jewish ;- ))
>
>
>
> But other times Jesus seemed to acknowledge that he was bringing 
> something new to the table
>
> (even if fulfilling ancient prophecy). For some reason Luke 12:51 and 
> Matthew 10-34 come to mind,
>
> where Jesus notes that he has not come to bring peace but rather 
> division and a sword- setting family
>
> members against each other, etc.
>
>
>
> I take this as a, if not transparent, then translucent way of Jesus 
> saying that he expected his ministry
>
> to create divisions between the jews who were doing things the current 
> way vs. those planning to follow
>
> Jesus and how he expected things to be done differently in the future.
>
>
>
> What changes were expected? No more "eye for an eye, tooth for a 
> tooth" but rather "turn the other cheek"
>
> to use the oft-cited example.  There are quite a few homophobic 
> statements, acceptance of polygamy,
>
> glorification of war, use of maiming and dismemberment as legal 
> punshments, etc. in the Old Testament,
>
> but not in the New Testament.
>
>
>
> So I have to wonder how many wives those Judean priests had......
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>
> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
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