George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe

Marc Aramini · 28 Apr 2015, 15:37 · from 2015-April.txt.gz

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From: marcaramini at gmail.com (Marc Aramini)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 08:37:36 -0700
Subject: (urth) George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe
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Some of the puppies justly venerate Wolfe.

I tried to comment on that martin post and got labelled as spam ... oh
well.

Yes, difficulty has kept Wolfe from winning,  but in my mind it really does
make the Hugo nothing but a trinket.  (Unless by some miracle I ever win
one, in which case, of course, the Hugo is much more than a trinket ... and
the people I have called lowest common denominator the wisest and most
discerning ...)
On Apr 28, 2015 8:31 AM, "Nick Lee" <starwaterstrain at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://grrm.livejournal.com/424135.html
>
> Martin had a few kind words to say about Wolfe and the New Yorker piece.
> He also brought up the Hugos and the Puppies again. There's some irony in
> that, isn't there? The Puppies, both breeds, argue that conservative,
> religious authors don't have a chance with the Hugos because they've been
> "taken over" by a left-leaning, atheist conspiracy.
>
> They never bring up Wolfe, from what I've seen, and you would think he's
> the perfect example. He's obviously Catholic and conservative, to a degree.
> See arguments about this in the past of the List and recently on Reddit.
> He's never won a Hugo despite numerous other accolades. You would think
> he'd be their most damning evidence. So what gives?
>
> I could make a snide comment here about how the Puppies probably couldn't
> understand Wolfe anyway, but despite the snark I think there's some truth
> in the idea. A corollary to the Puppy argument is that more traditional SF,
> adventure stories essentially, are not winning awards anymore. On one hand,
> Wolfe does write stories with adventure: knights, wizards, secret agents,
> etc. He's also been writing for a long time. He doesn't write simple
> stories, though, and while he pays frequent homage to the classics of the
> genre does not write in their style.
>
> And what about those accolades? Wolfe has won numerous other awards; he's
> a Grand Master; other writers laud him frequently. In an interview from
> some time back, China Mi?ville noted Wolfe's talent while acknowledging a
> difference in political opinion.
>
> The reason Wolfe has never won a Hugo has nothing to do with his ideology
> and everything to do with the fact that he's a difficult writer. The fans
> vote for the Hugos, and they vote for what they're reading, most of which
> is more traditional and less literary than Wolfe's output.
>
> Wolfe is an embarrassing example for the Puppies because he doesn't fit
> into their narrative. I don't think he would play ball with them either
> because as Martin notes, he's "a class act."
>
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