George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 28 Apr 2015, 17:14 · from 2015-April.txt.gz

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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:14:47 -0700
Subject: (urth) George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe
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Seems unlikely - Blackbeard would have been 12 at the time of the Port
Royal earthquake, which appears to have happened _after_ the main action of
Pirate Freedom.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Robin B. Smith <robinbsmith at gmail.com>
wrote:

> since Pirate Freedom was brought up here, before I go off and start a new
> email chain, I've been wondering: has it been discussed that Chris may be
> Blackbeard? (I did some cursory searching previously, but found no
> discussion of that point expressly)
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:58 AM, marcaramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Home Fires is good once you realize Skip kills Zygment and is actually
>> the person trying to sabotage everything, but it is too subtextual and
>> subtle, and the voodoo section (in which the guns represent the people
>> around chelle) way too unclear ... people cant follow what Wolfe is doing
>> in that one on the surface level. ... seven american nights had more
>> compelling overt action even though nobody knew what was going on for like
>> 30 years... Home Fires has more ironic cross examination that for some
>> reason is not as satisfying to our modern audience ...
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
>> Date: 04/28/2015 9:31 AM (GMT-07:00)
>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Cc: urth <urth at urth.net>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Nick Lee <starwaterstrain at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > They never bring up Wolfe, from what I've seen, and you would think
>> he's the
>> > perfect example. He's obviously Catholic and conservative, to a degree.
>> See
>> > arguments about this in the past of the List and recently on Reddit.
>> He's
>> > never won a Hugo despite numerous other accolades. You would think he'd
>> be
>> > their most damning evidence. So what gives?
>>
>> I saw this anti-Puppy argument previously brought up in, I think, a
>> New Republic blog; they added on as another example R.A. Lafferty. It
>> doesn't work because of the timing: the politicization of the Hugos
>> and associated sites like Tor.com (still publishing a notorious
>> cyberstalker because her politics & gender are correct, incidentally)
>> only really starts hitting in force in the '90s and '00s.
>>
>> R.A. Lafferty wasn't even writing at that point, having given up until
>> his unpublished stuff sold and then went to meet his maker, and Gene
>> has still been writing but as much as I love his books, I would have a
>> hard time making the case that any of _The Wizard Knight_, _Pirate
>> Freedom_, _An Evil Guest_, _The Sorcerer's House_ or _Home Fires_
>> *really* deserved to take home a Hugo for Best Novel. (Just compare
>> the level of discussion on urth.net of any of those novels to that of,
>> say, _Peace_ or even some of the short stories - having read through
>> all of the hits for both, I think it's entirely possible that there
>> has been more discussion here of the scant few paragraphs of "Suzanne
>> Delage" than of the entirety of _Pirate Freedom_.)
>> _The Long Sun_ was good and did manage to get some nominations, but
>> also finished in '96 - or 19+ years ago now.
>>
>> Hence, Lafferty's and Wolfe's nominations and awards are uninformative
>> since they either were in time periods where the Sad Puppies see
>> minimal problems, or they are drawn from a time period where the
>> relevant works did not exist / weren't clearly deserving of awards.
>>
>> --
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