Urth is a colonised planet

David Duffy · 27 Sep 2017, 04:12 · from 2017-September.txt.gz

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From: David.Duffy at qimrberghofer.edu.au (David Duffy)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 04:12:00 -0000
Subject: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet
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Nah, just ordinary imperialism.
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From: Urth [urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] on behalf of Gerry Quinn [gerry at bindweed.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet

On 26/09/2017 22:32, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:
> But the idea of colonisation involves settlers.

[damn, replied to just you instead of list - you will get this twice]

You're right, in that the very meaning of the word seems to include
settlers.  But another way of looking at it is to think of the alien
overlords as using the conquered territory to their perceived best
advantage, regardless of the details of how they control it.

There are no farms on Urth worked by human serfs.  (Or ARE there? Would
we even be told?)  But the economy is collapsed, and almost all human
efforts are expended battling the undersea monsters with their
unacceptable ideas.  The rest are spent battling the Ascian resistance .
The local rulers do what the aliens tell them, however crazy and
irrelevant.

- Gerry Quinn

>
> No dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> escreveu:
>
>> This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another venue.
>>
>> We often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of course it is.
>>
>> But Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet.  What brought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I subsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of the Commonwealth.  But in fact they are the alien ruling class, enacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.
>>
>> Urth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star systems.  But now it has been brought to heel.
>>
>> - Gerry Quinn
>>
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