Urth is a colonised planet

Ab de Vos · 27 Sep 2017, 21:12 · from 2017-September.txt.gz

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From: foxyab at casema.nl (Ab de Vos)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:12:59 -0000
Subject: (urth) Urth is a colonised planet
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Probably Urth is a galactic backwater visited by aliens, some of them 
like the sea monster living on Urth. No colonization scheme I think. 
Urth's former glory is destined to be renewed and ultimately leading to 
Yesod and higher levels of being mankind being the "chosen race". At 
least this is how I interpret Peter Wright.


Op 27-9-2017 om 04:49 schreef Gerry Quinn:
>
>
> On 26/09/2017 22:32, Ant?nio Pedro Marques wrote:
>> But the idea of colonisation involves settlers.
>
> [damn, replied to just you instead of list - you will get this twice]
>
> You're right, in that the very meaning of the word seems to include 
> settlers.? But another way of looking at it is to think of the alien 
> overlords as using the conquered territory to their perceived best 
> advantage, regardless of the details of how they control it.
>
> There are no farms on Urth worked by human serfs.? (Or ARE there? 
> Would we even be told?)? But the economy is collapsed, and almost all 
> human efforts are expended battling the undersea monsters with their 
> unacceptable ideas.? The rest are spent battling the Ascian resistance 
> . The local rulers do what the aliens tell them, however crazy and 
> irrelevant.
>
> - Gerry Quinn
>
>>
>> No dia 26/09/2017, ?s 16:55, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> This just occurred to me as I was talking about _BOTNS_ in another 
>>> venue.
>>>
>>> We often talk about _FHOC_ as a discussion of colonisation, which of 
>>> course it is.
>>>
>>> But Urth in Severian's time is surely a colonised planet. What 
>>> brought it home to me was that I referred to visiting aliens, and I 
>>> subsequently remembered they were called cacogens by the poeple of 
>>> the Commonwealth.? But in fact they are the alien ruling class, 
>>> enacting their decrees via the local aristocracy.
>>>
>>> Urth has a glorious history, of course - Typhon conquered many star 
>>> systems.? But now it has been brought to heel.
>>>
>>> - Gerry Quinn
>>>
>>>
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