Palaemon as Hierodule
Marc Aramini · 19 Feb 2018, 15:45
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From: marcaramini at gmail.com (Marc Aramini) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:45:58 -0000 Subject: (urth) Palaemon as Hierodule In-Reply-To: <35225d37-97bb-b6be-2327-0299c6042a8b at verizon.net> References: <07507bff-069b-30d8-5887-4f927209f2ff at casema.nl> <077d2f22-3505-881a-591c-b03bd7974678 at verizon.net> <4b9c4e1e-92cc-8024-d15b-3d084d61bf21 at casema.nl> <f1c18760-0e2b-f47e-a091-f8d3e7901dd9 at verizon.net> <737e15e5-c8d0-d828-2003-7e744bb0c405 at casema.nl> <CAOs_T3T+s_BAuL_YW4BGmSGdTFccS1qBgvcXfWAhndZ+u+aNRw at mail.gmail.com> <88137814-aa46-6c5a-50b8-f99f11682606 at verizon.net> <CAF1072wUjSsnEQKFfK=YLKfNMcEK0G4xJQy1ujAV_Le6UtcwXw at mail.gmail.com> <CAF1072yH1NPX2-Gy9MayaYg77wDk=O+gVDx08Ewi7w6e3PEdkw at mail.gmail.com> <8e8e5cba-1b72-f6e4-d028-4e7c8e11b936 at verizon.net> <CAF1072wzaK=hGpawzGqbcvy+yWXvLLxt+Cq=zpJ0UhhHsHXCfA at mail.gmail.com> <CAF1072yqn4UcTSgvszYgBavOJyKaiQ37NfiShDG7AznQHuBnUA at mail.gmail.com> <35225d37-97bb-b6be-2327-0299c6042a8b at verizon.net> Message-ID: <CAF1072wm8FzA+cXogN7L9MOM6Yk1TLvJ2gde0zTbWGU6izX=Xg at mail.gmail.com> I don't think having Ossipago and Famulimus being born of Apheta is implied by the text - there is a whole scene in Urth on the ship that implies they were "raised" from an aquatic biosphere, though it was in the future. I've never bought that Inire was Ceryx. I don't think Ossipago and Famulimus are Severian's twin partners - men evolve into the heiros, who move on and leave behind the hierogammates, who raise up the hierodules - thats a lot of speciation between the human Severian and the hierodules. They live in time but travel backwards by jumps - I think Borski gets this wrong - it isn't a true Merlin situation where time works on any of these creatures in reverse. If they travel backwards, they will be older in the past, aging as they make jumps. There is plenty of indication that many powers are aware of what Severian might be, and perhaps Palaemon is in contact with them. I accept almost none of Borski's premises, so my input isn't very useful here. On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 8:31 AM, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote: > Yes, I recall the discussions of onomastics. I apologize for digging all > this up but it seems some questions that Borski partly answered are > otherwise completely unanswered. My questions below are for anybody.... > > I think his identification of saints versus mythical names in BOTNS is > sound and should be used to suggest possibilities. What I'm interested in > is the logical support for those possibilities. Much of what Borski > concludes is logical, but much of it approaches paranoia. > > (1) I know of no other theory to explain or "fill in" Inire. However, > collapsing everyone into Ossipago and Famulimus seems excessive. > > > Question #1: Where then does Inire come from, if he is from the future? If > he is Ceryx, we know how he dies. > > Question #2: Where do Ossipago and Famulimus end up? If they are > Severian's twin-partners, we know how they were born. > > (2) The Old Leech should be somebody. > > Question #3: Who is he if not the exiled Palaemon? It's hard to imagine > Palaemon giving Severian Terminus Est if he didn't at least know who > Severian was. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20180219/83ebfd10/attachment-0001.html>
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