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Borrowed Man writeup

Ab de Vos · 30 Sep 2018, 11:07 · from 2018-September.txt.gz

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From: foxyab at casema.nl (Ab de Vos)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:07:58 +0200
Subject: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup
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Great work Marc.

Could it be relevant that time is not mentioned at all by Roglich, 
instead temperature differentials are introduced when space is 
displaced. Very weird. There must be some connection between Roglichs 
digression about space, the cold and hot polarity throughout the book 
and the plot. An indication that time is involved is maybe that the 
dates don't fit.

The jungle world I found very inhospitable and constricted and not a 
place to spend time. Could it not be a place like Father Inure's garden? 
When people are going in and out of the jungle-room temporal changes may 
be involved like coming back before you entered. Then there is the river 
- or brook? - of time in Urth of the New Sun.

I believe you also mentioned an interpretation like the one of /Point 
Blank/ (neo noir 1967) interpretation. Some critics said the whole movie 
was a revenge fantasy of the dying man (Lee Marvin) shot at the 
beginning. According to Wiki: "Some critics consider /Point Blank/, "a 
haunted, dream-like film that draws upon the spatial and temporal 
experiments of modernist European art cinema",^[16] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Blank_%281967_film%29#cite_note-16> 
especially the "time-fractured" films of French director Alain Resnais 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_Resnais>.^[17]" 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_Blank_%281967_film%29#cite_note-17>

The names bother me as well: all those Co..'s and the fact that Payne 
and Fish are not mentioned in the list. Why not? Are they two known 
characters in disguise?

I found Camestros Felapton's remarks interesting as a partial list of 
Wolfean tropes stretching back to Cerberus and not only characterizing 
his later work.


Op 29-9-2018 om 21:27 schreef Marc Aramini:
> Here is my writeup on A borrowed man - two to go (land across, evil 
> guest).
>
> https://pastebin.com/3Ph363VX
>
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