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Borrowed Man writeup
Marc Aramini · 02 Oct 2018, 12:56
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From: marcaramini at gmail.com (Marc Aramini) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2018 05:56:41 -0700 Subject: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup In-Reply-To: <CAF1072xssztC0RLGUCYxMGEgLWtyuqRnGqUHgxbjjGqz-9pfUA at mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.1.1538339727.13598.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> <DM5PR14MB16761187CF0BECF1263A2684DFEF0 at DM5PR14MB1676.namprd14.prod.outlook.com> <CAF1072x2POJrzh33KRDzkXwBQS_L5wrOkhaBCt6HfKjnQaOOYA at mail.gmail.com> <e1a7c3f7-bd8b-e307-4ec4-13752a63d88b at casema.nl> <CAF1072xssztC0RLGUCYxMGEgLWtyuqRnGqUHgxbjjGqz-9pfUA at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <CAF1072wxbdS4eFNAA9ZDf6YDbs2zr_OfjEn0hJe61bJYRKxFjA at mail.gmail.com> The other dream Ern has when he is locked in the room by Payne and Fish is one in which he opens a book and Arabella comes out, but then later he forces Colette into a book, struggling to get her back on the shelf. Is this like the dream struggle around the watery grave on Mars? On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> wrote: > Here, paradise is water and the desert with its sands of eternity impede > progress, like arabella?s Poem of feet dragging across the desert with > boots that can never be free from the sands of time . > > Yellow - the car canary is yellow. It seats six and ern and Arabella take > it to taos towers at the end. While chick wears blue at first, later he > wears a black overcoat in JULY (summer) when ern gets the drop on him in > women?s clothing. The car Cat is black. So Wolfe is playing a seasonal > game, a color game, and maybe a ?person? game here. Should chick be at all > counted in the yellow group for a time because of his (or her) name? I > still think he is a metonymy rather than an actual player in the pre-ern > drama which took place - the colors and the symbols tell us what happened > before ern showed up since he can?t know. > > Now ... wrestling the man headed and ape headed being of many arms while a > grave on mars filled it up with water might be more than a clue that Blue > is Mars. The red planet ... death .... water fills it up. The red planet is > choked by a snake on the cover. Cob is choked by someone with strong hands. > > > On Monday, October 1, 2018, Ab de Vos <foxyab at casema.nl> wrote: > >> The names Arabella and Colette refer both via via vaguely to male >> catholic saints: Gregory the Great and Nicolas. Relevant?? >> >> Red and Blue are primary colors: yellow is missing. Is A Borrowed Man's >> world a world without a sun? I found a few references to night time but not >> to day time. Is it a world without a salvation, a sort of hell? How would >> time be measured? >> >> There is also systematic discrimination of reclones which even sounds a >> bit like negroes. >> >> Op 1-10-2018 om 18:23 schreef Marc Aramini: >> >> That damn taffy ... Arabella and food. Saltwater, seascape - cold brook. >> For real though, how is anybody supposed to figure out which of the >> searchers is most associated with red? And the green ... I think Wolfe >> mapped these colors allegorically onto one particular thing in each case >> but how we can untangle that is still ... nebulous. >> >> On Monday, October 1, 2018, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On October 1, 2018 Marc Aramini wrote: >>> >>> >And violet is more of a mix between blue and red, the color of the planets >>> >involved. However, besides the red cars (Geraldine, female persona of male >>> >comedian flip Wilson) ... what is red? What to do with this? >>> >>> There are a couple of other references to red in the book. Ern says >>> that he wrote a series involving a character called The Red Searcher (pg. >>> 112). There are red leather bar stools at Coldbrook manor (pg. 197). >>> Payne uses the term "macro-red" in some inscrutably slangy way: Ern: "You >>> must find it unpleasant, I'm sure." Payne: "You bet we do. It's >>> macro-red. If you can tell me anything that might help, I'll be your >>> friend for life, and that's no chad, see?" (pg. 132). Arabella remembers >>> saltwater taffy that came in a box decorated with a seascape. The taffies >>> themselves were in "red, blue, and green wrappers". (pg. 91). RBG in >>> Wolfe-land does not make me think of a Supreme Court Justice. >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Urth <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> on behalf of >>> urth-request at lists.urth.net <urth-request at lists.urth.net> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:35 PM >>> *To:* urth at lists.urth.net >>> *Subject:* Urth Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 >>> >>> Send Urth mailing list submissions to >>> urth at lists.urth.net >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> urth-request at lists.urth.net >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> urth-owner at lists.urth.net >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Borrowed Man writeup (Marc Aramini) >>> 2. Re: Borrowed Man writeup (Marc Aramini) >>> 3. Re: Borrowed Man writeup (Robert Pirkola) >>> 4. Re: Borrowed Man writeup (Marc Aramini) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 04:49:18 -0700 >>> From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> >>> Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAF1072wVo8db6fa+NqaCQyMBH4Z3hBM_e1LnPwQk+nkpZa2OBw at mail.gm >>> ail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Auto correct strikes: were is weer. >>> >>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has >>> > equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a secret, >>> > where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies of that >>> > book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with >>> > Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that Roglich >>> > speaks. >>> > I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the embedded >>> > symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya- son of >>> John >>> > (were), Elia- olive: Olivia etc but now they are >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/2 >>> 0180930/ab92dc61/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 05:51:13 -0700 >>> From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> >>> Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAF1072yWipkfyQiTqO38V-MbxjVXGe-gfd7V6PG81ctU9C9Nmw at mail.gm >>> ail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Speaking of all the Co- names, when roglich points to the book he starts >>> stuttering:? I-I ... c-could you bring me a copy of my book ... a th-thin >>> book in a b-b-blue binding.? (82-3) I really think there is a >>> relationship >>> there. >>> >>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Auto correct strikes: were is weer. >>> > >>> > On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has >>> >> equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a secret, >>> >> where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies of >>> that >>> >> book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with >>> >> Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that Roglich >>> >> speaks. >>> >> I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the embedded >>> >> symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya- son of >>> John >>> >> (were), Elia- olive: Olivia etc but now they are >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/2 >>> 0180930/0867d1cb/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:28:21 +0000 >>> From: Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com> >>> To: "urth at lists.urth.net" <urth at lists.urth.net> >>> Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup >>> Message-ID: >>> <DM5PR14MB16764E380EA80A3509962059DFEE0 at DM5PR14MB1676.namprd >>> 14.prod.outlook.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Marc: >>> I am reading through the write-up. You pointed out that you felt after >>> writing it that there is some connection between Arabella and sandwiches. >>> With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your writing: "[C]ould it be >>> that Ern actually represents one which fits one side of the door but not >>> the other? Would Arabella constitute the other side, assuming that her >>> proliferation is slightly unnatural?" Ern on one side of the door, >>> Arabella on the other -- a sandwich. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/2 >>> 0180930/d47314cd/attachment-0001.html> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 11:09:16 -0700 >>> From: Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> >>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> >>> Subject: Re: (urth) Borrowed Man writeup >>> Message-ID: >>> <CAF1072wCZ2E3+TWYbYXHsfvw79w2xPX-Kt7pX3ZjQA0fhesTQA at mail.gm >>> ail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Yes I really think this is the case. >>> I am going to revise the ending a bit with these thoughts in mind but not >>> too much - still going to leave that ?open? conclusion. Hope you don?t >>> mind >>> the quotes in there I used the list heavily in this one. >>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Marc: >>> > I am reading through the write-up. You pointed out that you felt after >>> > writing it that there is some connection between Arabella and >>> sandwiches. >>> > With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your writing: "[C]ould >>> it be >>> > that Ern actually represents one which fits one side of the door but >>> not >>> > the other? Would Arabella constitute the other side, assuming that her >>> > proliferation is slightly unnatural?" 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