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From: aislingmooney777 at gmail.com (Aishling Mooney) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 08:05:10 +0000 Subject: (urth) Help! Please unsubscribe me! In-Reply-To: <mailman.19358.1580410603.21355.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> References: <mailman.19358.1580410603.21355.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <CAP1AcSGZSU2sXnni+Qe==orqsh8CtEm7ZEzm93dqG-5ek1yCSg at mail.gmail.com> On Thu, 30 Jan 2020, 21:23 , <urth-request at lists.urth.net> wrote: > Send Urth mailing list submissions to > urth at lists.urth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > urth-request at lists.urth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > urth-owner at lists.urth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Charles Gillingham) > 2. Re: [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Ryan Dunn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:51:12 -0800 > From: Charles Gillingham <charlesgillingham at gmail.com> > To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > Message-ID: > < > CAMoqiH46im5BKQBwpVQunX__0qhyNkWfdkDZHoNF5TPT2zDoYg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > "Idiot" is an ableist slur... > > Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any > given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti > in Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution > isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as > dirty and violent as any other battle for survival. > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an > > idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly > > lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. > > > > Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that > > civilization is in decline. > > > > Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. > > > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > > *Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!* > > *--*T?a???ke Witk? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < > > charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which > >> is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or > >> placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this > case). > >> It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. > But > >> sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, > go > >> ahead be as nice as you want. > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Rick, you got it in one. > >>> > >>> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old > >>> enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the > side > >>> of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, *politeness*. > >>> > >>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > >>> > >>> *Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!* > >>> *--*T?a???ke Witk? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < > >>> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>>> In my experience, people who complain about having to be ?politically > >>>> correct? are people who want to say rude things and are really > complaining > >>>> about not being allowed to be rude. > >>>> > >>>> Rick > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Gem > >>>> Caccetta > >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM > >>>> *To:* urth at lists.urth.net > >>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: > >>>> > >>>> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a > >>>> christian misogynist?" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I know Wolfe?s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on > this > >>>> list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free > >>>> interesting: > >>>> > >>>> Free says??You like women, don?t you, Mr. Barnes?? > >>>> > >>>> ?Like them?? Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. ?Not > >>>> really. I want them, and since I can?t have them, usually, I don?t > like > >>>> them. But I want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame > >>>> Serpentina.? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I wouldn?t be surprised if this was Wolfe?s own attitude toward women > >>>> speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some > women, but > >>>> he didn?t really like them. Just my guess, for what it?s worth. > >>>> > >>>> *The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > >>>> originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > >>>> handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited > and > >>>> requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is > PHISHING > >>>> for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. * > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Urth Mailing List > >>>> To post, write urth at urth.net > >>>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Urth Mailing List > >>> To post, write urth at urth.net > >>> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Urth Mailing List > >> To post, write urth at urth.net > >> Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Urth Mailing List > > To post, write urth at urth.net > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20200130/e06fd0a3/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:56:38 -0500 > From: Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> > To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women > Message-ID: <5B836E64-C5C7-40D8-B4DB-6D562AE81B38 at liftingfaces.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My view: There is a place for courtesy, and a place for plainspeak. Just > like there is a place for biting your tongue, and a place for tough love. > > My other view: We don?t get to control what someone else says, neither > legally nor physically, so learning to deal with people who don?t follow > your own views on speech (or anything else) is one of the most important > skills you can obtain in life. > > One final view: Gene Wolfe was not misogynistic. He once started crying > his eyes out while telling me how hard it was when he had to stop writing > Cassie?s voice in An Evil Guest. > > I know that one anecdote doesn?t summarize a man, or whether a man?s views > on women evolved as he grew older, but I find it hard to buy into any > flippant high ground aimed at marginalizing Wolfe?s portrayal of women in > his literature. > > ?ryan > > > Ryan Dunn, Director > Liftingfaces > www.liftingfaces.com > > > > > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 1:32 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an > idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly > lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness. > > > > Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that > civilization is in decline. > > > > Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words. > > > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham < > charlesgillingham at gmail.com <mailto:charlesgillingham at gmail.com>> wrote: > > Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which > is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or > placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case). > It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But > sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go > ahead be as nice as you want. > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com > <mailto:danldo at gmail.com>> wrote: > > Rick, you got it in one. > > > > I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old > enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side > of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness. > > > > Dan'l Danehy-Oakes > > > > Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo! > > --T?a???ke Witk? > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson < > NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu <mailto:NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>> wrote: > > In my experience, people who complain about having to be ?politically > correct? are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining > about not being allowed to be rude. > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net <mailto: > urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM > > To: urth at lists.urth.net <mailto:urth at lists.urth.net> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women > > > > > > > > On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote: > > "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a > christian misogynist?" > > > > > > > > I know Wolfe?s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this > list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free > interesting: > > > > Free says??You like women, don?t you, Mr. Barnes?? > > ?Like them?? Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. ?Not > really. I want them, and since I can?t have them, usually, I don?t like > them. But I want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame > Serpentina.? > > > > I wouldn?t be surprised if this was Wolfe?s own attitude toward women > speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but > he didn?t really like them. Just my guess, for what it?s worth. > > > > The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > handling emails from external sources. 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