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Urth Digest, Vol 186, Issue 4
Aishling Mooney · 14 Dec 2020, 17:13
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From: aislingmooney777 at gmail.com (Aishling Mooney) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 18:13:32 +0100 Subject: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 186, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <mailman.13119.1607380815.985.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> References: <mailman.13119.1607380815.985.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <CAP1AcSExUrSdT1Gb=-oWWcs_jritGKmrFU2Tf+fetDz4TUNMXw at mail.gmail.com> Please unsubscribe me from this list aislingmooney777 at gmail.com On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 05:39 , <urth-request at lists.urth.net> wrote: > Send Urth mailing list submissions to > urth at lists.urth.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > urth-request at lists.urth.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > urth-owner at lists.urth.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Urth digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter > (Norwood, Frederick Hudson) > 2. Re: [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter > (Mark Millman) > 3. Re: [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter > (David Stockhoff) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:13:00 +0000 > From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> > To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly > newsletter > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR07MB4228E7117A31EBE5B522B3CB82CE0 at BN7PR07MB4228.namprd07.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost everything differently from what > the reading expected, including a compass having six points and south being > at the south. Another example is that, in the end end the first book, > instead of reaching their destination, the characters are just leaving the > city they started in. Another is that, at one point, we find out that the > man is the master and the master is the man. It is one of the book's charms. > > I do not know if this carries over into Book of the Long Sun and Book of > the Short Sun. > > Also Book of the New Sun is a trilogy in four (or five) volumes. > > Best, > Rick > > ________________________________ > From: Urth <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> on behalf of David Stockhoff < > dstockhoff at verizon.net> > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 11:43 AM > To: urth at lists.urth.net <urth at lists.urth.net> > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter > > > Can you explain more about the 6 compass points? Sounds like it would lend > itself to a hexmap, which I have not seen done. > > > There is a theory about how far Wolfe took the reversal thing. I am not > sure I can describe it verbally, but it involves moving Bueno Aires to the > other side of the Andes by flipping the globe. It seems to work. > > > On 12/6/2020 4:05 PM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote: > The most important thing is to have six cardinal points of the compass, > not four. Second, to have south be up. I'm not certain that the people from > earth carry this over to the new sun, but it would indicate an awareness > that, in this series, Wolfe deliberately did everything different from the > way we do things. > > Best, > Rick Norwood > > ________________________________ > From: Urth <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net><mailto: > urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> on behalf of Fernando Gouvea < > fqgouvea at colby.edu><mailto:fqgouvea at colby.edu> > Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2020 8:54 AM > To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net><mailto:urth at lists.urth.net > > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter > ??? > > Centipede Press <jerad at centipedepress.com><mailto:jerad at centipedepress.com> > asks: > > Okay. I might be sorry I asked this, but who are the ???Gene Wolfe??? > people out there? As you know, I am doing new editions of the six-book The > Book of the New Sun series. One nice thing to have would be new maps. I > found an artist in France who does this sort of work with flair and > panache, but the artist is looking for help with the basic structure of the > The Book of the New Sun???s world. If you???re the Gene Wolfe fan who > obsesses over this, and has rigorously analyzed all of the maps thus far > created (there???s one on Wikipedia, and one created by Gurps, too, among > several others)?????????your help is requested with this project. All I > need to know is what is (are) considered the most regarded and considered > the most accurate map(s). My map maker can extrapolate from there and make > it into something amazing. If you???re that person, who???s really really > really into this, and who knows the subject backwards and forwards, please > give me a shout! > > > -- > ============================================================= > Fernando Q. Gouvea http://www.colby.edu/~fqgouvea > Carter Professor of Mathematics > Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics > Colby College > 5836 Mayflower Hill > Waterville, ME 04901 > > The rule is: any movie with a dad is a movie with a bad dad. > -- Frederica Mathewes-Green > > > > The [EXTERNAL] tag in the subject line identifies emails that do NOT > originate from an ETSU person or service. Please exercise caution when > handling emails from external sources. Any email that is unsolicited and > requires you to take immediate action, appears to be forged or is PHISHING > for information can be verified by emailing the ITS Help Desk. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net<mailto:urth at urth.net> > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > > ________________________________ > [Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20201207/49de90a1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:35:19 -0500 > From: Mark Millman <markjmillman at gmail.com> > To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly > newsletter > Message-ID: > < > CAD2109eDj2VufzeYOL1nBBEZgyY-iKgkO2FmNX2RcoU0-R-WuA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Folks, > > On Sunday 6 December 2020, Rick Norwood wrote: > > > The most important thing is to have six cardinal > > points of the compass, not four. Second, to have > > south be up. > > And on Monday 7 December 2020, David Stockhoff asked: > > > Can you explain more about the 6 compass > > points? Sounds like it would lend itself to a hex- > > map, which I have not seen done. > > To which Rick replied: > > > In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost every- > > thing differently from what the reading expected, > > including a compass having six points and south > > being at the south. . . . > > I imagine this is a typo for "top". You're probably aware that maps > with south at the top are the classical Chinese standard, which was > influential in east Asia (and remember that there's evidence that > Korea may have been a dominant power on Urth for a while, including > having launched Jonas' ship). For that matter, medieval European maps > often put east at the top, taking their orientation from Jerusalem and > Eden. > > But my impression of the six-pointed compass is that it's a spherical > compass that indicates up and down as well as south, north, west, and > east. Six coplanar cardinal points seems too arbitrary to appeal to > Wolfe's engineering brain. > > Best, > > Mark Millman > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:40:09 -0500 > From: David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> > To: urth at lists.urth.net > Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly > newsletter > Message-ID: <6942214c-86b7-1fb5-eaeb-c05bc76cd633 at verizon.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Thanks. I was trying to find out where in the text a 6-point compass was > mentioned. I agree that if you have six you could just as well have > seven---but 8 is pretty much universal for obvious reasons. > > On 12/7/2020 5:35 PM, Mark Millman wrote: > > Folks, > > > > On Sunday 6 December 2020, Rick Norwood wrote: > > > >> The most important thing is to have six cardinal > >> points of the compass, not four. Second, to have > >> south be up. > > And on Monday 7 December 2020, David Stockhoff asked: > > > >> Can you explain more about the 6 compass > >> points? Sounds like it would lend itself to a hex- > >> map, which I have not seen done. > > To which Rick replied: > > > >> In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost every- > >> thing differently from what the reading expected, > >> including a compass having six points and south > >> being at the south. . . . > > I imagine this is a typo for "top". You're probably aware that maps > > with south at the top are the classical Chinese standard, which was > > influential in east Asia (and remember that there's evidence that > > Korea may have been a dominant power on Urth for a while, including > > having launched Jonas' ship). For that matter, medieval European maps > > often put east at the top, taking their orientation from Jerusalem and > > Eden. > > > > But my impression of the six-pointed compass is that it's a spherical > > compass that indicates up and down as well as south, north, west, and > > east. Six coplanar cardinal points seems too arbitrary to appeal to > > Wolfe's engineering brain. > > > > Best, > > > > Mark Millman > > _______________________________________________ > > Urth Mailing List > > To post, write urth at urth.net > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > ------------------------------ > > End of Urth Digest, Vol 186, Issue 4 > ************************************ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20201214/a4db722f/attachment-0001.html>
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