Copperhead
Kevin J. Maroney · 24 May 2001, 11:23
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From: "Kevin J. Maroney" <kmaroney at ungames.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Copperhead Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:23:19 Message-ID: <urth-v0030-0441 at digest.urth.net> X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0030/0441.shtml MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 10:44 PM 5/23/01 -0400, Rostrum wrote: >Is this a joke? That's the very thing that Christians have always used to >say "Manichaeanism is not us." Satan is the opposite of Michael the >Archangel; there is no counterpart Bad Thing that is the opposite of God. =20 >God created everything, and some things are warped, but to the extent >Satan has any good thing (intellegence, existence, charisma) it is simply >a warped version of the good thing God gave him. Nothing in orthodox >Christianity or Judaism gives you the sense that Evil is a real rival to >God that might have a chance of ultimately winning. =20 I agree with all of that, but the last time I checked, Adam was not God. The major theological distinction between the Abrahamist religions and the religion of Mani is at the level of a dark equivalent to God. The Abrahamist religions all posit the existence of completely evil things which exist as mirrors to good things less than God. Calling "Good Adam, Bad Lilith" "Manichaen" seems to me a misunderstaning of both the Abrahamist religions and Mani's religion, since it ascribes a common practice of the former group to being solely the province of the latter.=20 I suppose there would be ways for an Abrahamist "Good Adam, Bad Lilith" pair to be more Manichaen--if, for instance, Lilith were *created* by Satan to subvert and destroy Adam--but if such a tradition exists, I'm unaware of it. All of the versions of Lilith I've encountered have her created by the Good God and then wander astray (much like Adam himself, of course, but for some reason it is not assumed that the children of Adam are all demons).=20 --=20 Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction http://www.nyrsf.com *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.urth.net/urth/
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