The Best Introduction to the Mountains
Jerry Friedman · 31 Jan 2002, 22:40
· from urth-v0202.mbox · original
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (urth) The Best Introduction to the Mountains Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:40:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <urth-v0202-38 at digest.urth.net> X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0202/38.txt.shtml MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- Michael Straight <straight at email.unc.edu> wrote: ... > Do the Hierodules have a particular love for the Commonwealth, or is the > institution of the Autarchy merely a means of raising up someone who > could > speak for the whole Urth? Severian doesn't automatically get to speak > for > Urth just because he's Autarch of the Holy Roman Commonwealth. If that > were true, Ymar could have brought the New Sun. Why? Maybe Ymar was judged unworthy. Or is this something from UotNS, about the memory of ever having read which I'm in denial? > Does Erebus support the Ascians against the Commonwealth because the > Commonwealth is some kind of Holy Empire that he opposes, or do the > Hierodules support the Commonwealth merely as a means of keeping the > evil > of Erebus in check? My impression is that Erebus supports (maybe even impels) the Ascians against the Commonwealth because he wants to enslave everybody and the citizens of the Commonwealth aren't his slaves. Yet. I don't think we know exactly why the Hierodules oppose him, though the evil of slavery is a sufficient reason. The good question is the one you asked above: What's the reason for the Autarchy, and what's its relationship to the Hierodules and the Increate? Can Severian speak for Urth just because he's Legion? I don't see any kind of evidence that the Commonwealth is some kind of Holy Empire. The idea that it's somehow the heir to the Holy Roman Empire strikes me as really sick (not that someone would have to be sick to make the speculation, but somebody would have to be sick to see the HRE as so divinely supported that it persists past its official dissolution as a force for good). =20 > And, to return to the original point, how on Urth does any of this > constitute Gene Wolfe expressing the opinion that rebelling against > tyranny is wrong?!? Not that I can see. Jerry Friedman __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions!=20 http://auctions.yahoo.com --=20
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net