Watts, presentiments, eponyms

Alice K. Turner · 26 Feb 2002, 05:12 · from urth-v0202.mbox · original

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: "Alice K. Turner" <aturner3 at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) Watts, presentiments, eponyms
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:12:18 -0500
Message-ID: <urth-v0202-231 at digest.urth.net>
X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0202/231.txt.shtml
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C1BE5A.40A14750"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C1BE5A.40A14750
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thank you, Ratty, very informative post and I stand corrected. Some day =
I hope that you and I will get together and sing hymns. I'm not a very =
good singer, but I know tons of hymns and carols and love to sing them. =
(I bet you'd agree that RC hymns mostly suck--though you wouldn't put it =
that way.) I like show tunes too.

-alga
          Isaac Watts was not Church of England but a Congregationalist. =
The Puritan Congregationalists (his forebears) sang only metrical =
psalms. Watts set most of the Biblical psalter to verse as new metrical =
psalms, though a bit more freely than was traditional (and thus as =
better English poems). This one, and "Jesus Shall Reign Where'er the =
Sun" (Psalm 72) are found in almost all English-language hymnals: =
Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.=20
          Wolfe is now RC, but grew up Presbyterian. He probably sang a =
four or five stanza reduction of Watt's Psalm 90 growing up -- few =
hymnals have all the stanzas.
          The tune commonly used for Psalm 90, St. Anne, is famous also =
because Bach wrote a wonderful Prelude and Fugue for organ based on it, =
sometimes used for wedding processions.
          Marc brought  it up to suggest that more than just the one =
stanza Wolfe quoted is relevant to the Severian narrative.
          Finally, and just so you know, it is the Lutherans who have =
the best church music. I'll bet many of the tunes you remember actually =
go back to Lutheran sources. But that's only a statistical win. The =
Welsh cannot be excluded, nor can later Anglican, etc.=20

  Jim Jordan (Nutria)

-- 
------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C1BE5A.40A14750
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
Thank you, Ratty, very informative post =
and I stand=20
corrected. Some day I hope that you and I will get together and sing =
hymns. I'm=20
not a very good singer, but I know tons of hymns and carols and love to =
sing=20
them. (I bet you'd agree that RC hymns mostly suck--though you wouldn't =
put it=20
that way.) I like show tunes too.

-alga
        </X-TAB>Isaac =
Watts was=20
  not Church of England but a Congregationalist. The Puritan =
Congregationalists=20
  (his forebears) sang only metrical psalms. Watts set most of the =
Biblical=20
  psalter to verse as new metrical psalms, though a bit more freely than =
was=20
  traditional (and thus as better English poems). This one, and "Jesus =
Shall=20
  Reign Where'er the Sun" (Psalm 72) are found in almost all =
English-language=20
  hymnals: Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Baptist, etc.=20
  =
<X-TAB>        </X-TAB>Wolfe =
is=20
  now RC, but grew up Presbyterian. He probably sang a four or five =
stanza=20
  reduction of Watt's Psalm 90 growing up -- few hymnals have all the=20
  =
stanzas.<X-TAB>        </X-TA=
B>The=20
  tune commonly used for Psalm 90, St. Anne, is famous also because Bach =
wrote a=20
  wonderful Prelude and Fugue for organ based on it, sometimes used for =
wedding=20
  =
processions.<X-TAB>        </=
X-TAB>Marc=20
  brought  it up to suggest that more than just the one stanza =
Wolfe quoted=20
  is relevant to the Severian=20
  =
narrative.<X-TAB>        </X-=
TAB>Finally,=20
  and just so you know, it is the Lutherans who have the best church =
music. I'll=20
  bet many of the tunes you remember actually go back to Lutheran =
sources. But=20
  that's only a statistical win. The Welsh cannot be excluded, nor can =
later=20
  Anglican, etc. Jim Jordan =
(Nutria)</BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C1BE5A.40A14750--

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net