Thecla's Lunatic Irritation

James Jordan · 05 Mar 2002, 23:11 · from urth-v0203.mbox · original

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From: James Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: (urth) Thecla's Lunatic Irritation
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 17:11:42 -0600
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At 11:30 AM 3/5/2002, you wrote:

>I think Mantis's "magical thinking" idea may have some merit, but even
>so - what happens to the victims of the Revolutionary isn't merely
>suicidal depression; the "demon" is actively sadistic and seeks to
>make the "host" _suffer_. (Suicidally depressed persons, deprived of
>the means of suicide, do not in general begin clawing at their own
>skin.) Whatever the Revolutionary does is significantly more complex
>than this.
>
>Nonetheless, there is at least some hope for a solution in the
>magical thinking idea. If the Lupiverse contains angel-equivalents
>like the hierodules, then magical thinking not only permits but
>seems to _require_ that we hypothesize demon-equivalents: and I
>see no reason why the Revolutionary might not actually summon one
>and instil it into the victim.
>
>--Blattid

Another aspect is that the demon made or called by the Revolutionary 
corresponds to the Vodalus Revolutionary party within the Commonwealth. 
They are bringing about the suicide of Urth, necessitating the New Sun. 
And, in Wolfean (Catholic) thinking, I should think that being a 
"revolutionary" is precisely what Old Adam was at the beginning.
         Thecla's being "born again" (resurrected) in Severian parallels 
the black-holed sun's being born again through Severian, and the death and 
resurrection of Urth. Adam the Revolutionary is saved and regenerated.

Nutria


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At 11:30 AM 3/5/2002, you wrote:
I think Mantis's "magical
thinking" idea may have some merit, but even
so - what happens to the victims of the Revolutionary isn't merely 
suicidal depression; the "demon" is actively sadistic and seeks
to 
make the "host" _suffer_. (Suicidally depressed persons,
deprived of
the means of suicide, do not in general begin clawing at their own
skin.) Whatever the Revolutionary does is significantly more 
complex
than this.
Nonetheless, there is at least some hope for a solution in the 
magical thinking idea. If the Lupiverse contains angel-equivalents
like the hierodules, then magical thinking not only permits but
seems to _require_ that we hypothesize demon-equivalents: and I
see no reason why the Revolutionary might not actually summon one
and instil it into the victim.
--Blattid
Another aspect is that the demon made or called by the Revolutionary
corresponds to the Vodalus Revolutionary party within the Commonwealth.
They are bringing about the suicide of Urth, necessitating the New Sun.
And, in Wolfean (Catholic) thinking, I should think that being a
"revolutionary" is precisely what Old Adam was at the
beginning. 
<x-tab>        </x-tab>Thecla's
being "born again" (resurrected) in Severian parallels the
black-holed sun's being born again through Severian, and the death and
resurrection of Urth. Adam the Revolutionary is saved and regenerated.

Nutria
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