Some Scattered Thoughts: some short, one very long.

James Jordan · 16 Jul 2002, 16:22 · from urth-v0207.mbox · original

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From: James Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: (urth) Some Scattered Thoughts: some short, one very long.
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 11:22:42 -0500
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A handful of scattered thoughts:

At 11:53 AM 7/15/2002 -0700, Blattid wrote:
>1. Silk's relationship with Hyacinth. This simply cannot be understood
>outside of the context of the (very short) book of the prophet Hosea
>in the Bible. To summarize thematically: Hosea, at God's command,
>marries a whore and repeatedly forgives her straying; this is intended
>as a metaphor for God's relationship with Israel (and, in Christian
>understanding, also for Christ's relationship with the Church).

         Well put.

>No, Nutria, there is _not_ -- at this point, anyway -- a consensus
>that Horn is moved into Babbie at the end of OBW. There is some
>evidence that he is moved (or copied) to Babbie, possibly/probably at
>that point, but no certainty by any means, and strong evidence that
>the Horn persona is still present e.g. when Hide recognizes his father
>in the Narrator during his (Hide's) first astral trip to Green.

         My thinking was that the (non-)"consensus" might be that something=20
of Horn is duplicated into Babbie, while Horn also remains in Silk until=20
the end, and then all of Horn is put into Babbie. I was asking whether=20
these are "part" of Horn, so that Horn is divided, or whether Horn as such=20
goes into Babbie and also remains in Silk, which seems more likely given=20
the "wholeness" of the other transfers and duplications. I.e., just as=20
there is more than one Silk running around (in Pig and in Silk himself), so=20
there is more than one Horn for a while (in Babbie and in Silk). As=20
Silk-in-Pig seems to move into Silk, so Horn-in-Silk seems to move into=20
Babbie fully at the end. That was my speculation.



>Consider, similarly, someone who suffers a less extreme cranial
>trauma. He retains all memory, but is drastically changed -- there are
>cases of a "normal" person becoming antisocial, even vicious, after a
>head blow. This is extremely problematic for the soulist: if physical
>trauma can cause a person to become thus loveless and (at least
>outwardly) sinful, is the soul thereby damned, though there is no free
>choice? A radical Calvinist _might_ have no problem with this; most
>other Christians are made a bit more uncomfortable when the problem is
>stated thus baldly.

         Thanks for the "_might_". As a "Calvinist," I would say that God=20
overlooks sins committed in ignorance, an application of Romans 3:25,=20
grounded in the distinction between "sins of wandering astray" and=20
"high-handed sins" in Leviticus. Such sins don't erase the gift given at=20
baptism. As you probably know, true Calvinists hold "free choice" and=20
"predestination" in paradox.

Nutria


--=20

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