catamites and narrators

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From: StoneOx17 at aol.com
Subject: Re:  (urth) catamites and narrators
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 10:07:41 EDT
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In a message dated 9/17/2002, matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk writes

>On 13/09/2002 05:28:32 maa32 wrote:

> >Additionally, Mr. Borski has 
> >already elucidated on the strange preoccupation with circumsicions 
> >and various other repressed evidence of homosexual behavior. 

> What in hell connects circumcision with repressed evidence of 
> homosexual behaviour?

You're parsing this incorrectly.  It's not circumcision that's connected 
with homosexual behavior, it's strange preoccupation with it.  

In Fifth Head of Cerberus, the teenage Victor serves as a guide for 
John Marsch in an expedition to the backcountry to search for abos.
John Marsch writes in his journal about how he watches Victor bathing,
and notes that he is umcircumcised.  He also writes in the journal
that he suspects that Victor is sneaking off to have sex with an abo 
girl, and that if he catches them, he will probably kill them both.  

Altogether, this is generally taken as evidence for Marsch's homosexuality.
(Although arguably, he might just be mad at Victor for withholding
evidence that the abos really exist.)  This was discussed in much more 
detail a while back in a thread called "uncut dogs."

SPOILERS AHEAD

It just occurred to me that this is why Victor killed Marsch.  This murder 
is so obviously against Victor's self-interest -- Marsch serving as Victor's 
only conceivable ticket to a college education and a better life -- that
I had assumed that he hadn't committed it, but that Marsch had been 
killed by a ghoul-bear (the near escape from which Victor later writes 
about in Marsch's diary).  However, self-defense against rape is not only
a plausible reason for murder, but beautifully parallels Number 5's murder 
of Maitre.  Now, I'm going to have to reread 5HC to look for more
evidence of this rape (which is probably very subtle, if it's there at all,
since both Victor and Marsch have good reason not to mention it).

- Stone Ox

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<HTML>In a message dated 9/17/2002, matthew.malthouse at guardian.co.uk writes

>On 13/09/2002 05:28:32 maa32 wrote:

> >Additionally, Mr. Borski has 
> >already elucidated on the strange preoccupation with circumsicions 
> >and various other repressed evidence of homosexual behavior. 

> What in hell connects circumcision with repressed evidence of 
> homosexual behaviour?

You're parsing this incorrectly.  It's not circumcision that's connected 
with homosexual behavior, it's strange preoccupation with it.  

In Fifth Head of Cerberus, the teenage Victor serves as a guide for 
John Marsch in an expedition to the backcountry to search for abos.
John Marsch writes in his journal about how he watches Victor bathing,
and notes that he is umcircumcised.  He also writes in the journal
that he suspects that Victor is sneaking off to have sex with an abo 
girl, and that if he catches them, he will probably kill them both.  

Altogether, this is generally taken as evidence for Marsch's homosexuality.
(Although arguably, he might just be mad at Victor for withholding
evidence that the abos really exist.)  This was discussed in much more 
detail a while back in a thread called "uncut dogs."

SPOILERS AHEAD

It just occurred to me that this is why Victor killed Marsch.  This murder 
is so obviously against Victor's self-interest -- Marsch serving as Victor's 
only conceivable ticket to a college education and a better life -- that
I had assumed that he hadn't committed it, but that Marsch had been 
killed by a ghoul-bear (the near escape from which Victor later writes 
about in Marsch's diary).  However, self-defense against rape is not only
a plausible reason for murder, but beautifully parallels Number 5's murder 
of Maitre.  Now, I'm going to have to reread 5HC to look for more
evidence of this rape (which is probably very subtle, if it's there at all,
since both Victor and Marsch have good reason not to mention it).

- Stone Ox</HTML>

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