PEACE and salvation

James Jordan · 05 Oct 2002, 20:09 · from urth-v0210.mbox · original

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From: James Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net>
Subject: (urth) PEACE and salvation
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:09:53 -0500
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Just a note from a theologian:

At 01:41 PM 10/5/2002, Roy wrote:

>So, Herr Hitler and Mother Theresa were equal in God's eyes; what they
>did in their lives had no bearing on their eternal fate.

         "Equal in God's eyes" is tricky, but I know what you mean. No.=20
They start out the same: conceived in iniquity and born dead in trespasses=20
and sins, and thus with an inbuilt tendency to rebel more and more against=20
God. But their condition inherited from Adam is (more than) matched by the=20
grace offered by God to those who turn to Him. And that's where the whole=20
course of one's life comes in. Hitler did not turn, and got worse and=20
worse. Mother T. did turn, and became a saint.

>I don't want to get into another theological conflict; I cede you the
>high ground. But you can't tell me, so far as Wolfe's religious beliefs
>can be inferred from his work, that he believes the acts of an
>individual in life are not weighed in the final balance, regardless of
>technical conformity to Christian/Catholic dogma.

         To be sure. But Wolfe would also allow for deathbed conversions.=20
Not that this is probably going on in PEACE.

Patera Nutria


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