Quetzal and Noah's Ark

James Jordan · 27 Nov 2002, 16:53 · from urth-v0211.mbox · original

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From: James Jordan <jbjordan4 at cox.net>
Subject: Re: (urth) Quetzal and Noah's Ark
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 10:53:25 -0600
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At 09:33 PM 11/26/2002, you wrote:
>on 11/25/02 5:46 PM, James Jordan at jbjordan4 at cox.net wrote:
>
> > Starcrosser is an anti-ark that the
> > Outsider decides to invade and save because of His love for human being=
s.
> > The Outsider converts the Plan of Pas into HIS plan, and subverts the
> > "plan" of Quetzal into His own larger Plan. Typhon is just an unwitting
> > pawn in the Outsider's huge purpose
>
>And that is?  If the Outsider loves human beings so much, why doesn't He
>stop the Hierogrammates from killing almost all of them?

         The Increate's love for humanity is "tough love." Hard times and=20
death are part of how He loves humanity and brings humanity to maturity.=20
That's not modern "love" but it is basic to a Christian understanding of=20
"love." Whether you agree or not, that's going to be Wolfe's perspective.

>  And if He's
>concerned with the salvation of the people on the Whorl, why doesn't He te=
ll
>Silk to spread the Good News of His uniqueness and omnipotence, rather than
>telling him to "save the manteion"?

         Saving the manteion is a metonomy, part for the whole. And of=20
course, modern Christian novelists usually write about salvation obliquely=20
and symbolically, not in an outright fashion in the way earlier writers did=20
-- and Wolfe is clearly in the modern category here.
         Consider that Horn's "Book of Silk," which has the contour of the=20
gospel narrative + the book of Acts + at the end the book of Revelation,=20
does indeed show the deeper meaning of what "saving the manteion" entails.=20
And, saving this particular people of Viron (=3DIsrael) becomes a "gospel" =
to=20
all the settlers on Blue (and Green eventually). "Saving the manteion"=20
expands to saving the people physically from the dying Whorl before it=20
descends into hellish darkness and then expands to spiritual salvation=20
through the "Book of Silk" as its readers learn who the real God is.

>   I'm not trying to be facetious, but it
>does seem that His ways in LS/SS are particularly mysterious.

         Granted!


>No doubt everything that happens in the books is ultimately part of the
>Outsider's plan.  But the same would be true if Silk had never been
>enlightened, or if the colonists had been left to rot aboard the Whorl
>forever.  So it's not clear to me how "the Outsider's plan" can be used as=
 a
>touchstone for interpreting the books.

         Maybe not. But it seems to me that the whole notion of "plan" is=20
basic to the books. A plan by a pseudo-god (Pas) implies a greater plan by=20
the True God. Our gradual discovery of what the Plan of Pas is implies that=20
we are also to think about this Greater Plan also. From page 1 in LS, the=20
Outsider is a "player" in the narrative, doing something specific in the=20
narrative (though behind the scenes, as the Ruler says in "Westwind"). We=20
are invited to consider that specific plan.
         That's my reasoning, sound or not!

Nutria


>--Adam
>
>
>--



--=20

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