DOORS: The Hero, The Otherworld, The Ending
Adam Stephanides · 20 Jan 2003, 17:03
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From: Adam Stephanides <adamsteph at earthlink.net> Subject: Re: (urth) DOORS: The Hero, The Otherworld, The Ending Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 11:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: <urth-v0301-2711 at digest.urth.net> X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0301/2711.txt.shtml MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable on 1/17/03 11:03 AM, Andy Robertson at andywrobertson at clara.co.uk wrote: > What I am trying to explain by the coinage "Catholic Fabulation" is that > there is a tradition of storytelling that runs along these lines. >=20 > It includes the Inklings' work (Williams too) but does NOT include such > unambiguously religious works as, for example, A CANTICLE FOR LEIBOWIZT >=20 > The difference lies in the treatment of the supernatural. >=20 > CF embraces the supernatural and **enables** it: >=20 > It occurs in the stories, but in drag, in disguise. >=20 > The keynote is that angels or demons or gods pop up and they pretend to be > aliens. God pops up, but he pretends to be The Increate or The Emperor O= ver > The Sea. >=20 > I believe Wolfe is writing WITHIN that tradition. I confess that I'm not quite clear on this. Wolfe's fiction is full of gods and goddesses explicitly identified as such. And in TBOTNS, God is no more "pretending" to be the Increate than Earth is pretending to be Urth: "the Increate" is how the Commonwealth refers to God. As for cases like Tzadkiel and the Mother, here it's a matter of interpretation whether they're gods and angels pretending to be aliens, or aliens pretending to be gods and aliens. I don't remember UotNS too well, but in the case of the Mother my money would be on the latter. Lafferty, who you mentioned in an earlier post, seems to fit even less well, though I haven't read him in a long time either. While many of his characters are extraordinary in various ways, I'd say that they are nearly all clearly human (even when they're aliens or ktestic machines). The only gods I can recall offhand in his works are Snuffles (from the story of the same name) and Anteros (from "Continued on Next Rock"). I don't know Lewis or Tolkien well enough to comment. But in general, is there anything specifically "Christian" about the use of gods in fantasy? It seems to me to be virtually ubiquitous, from Dunsany (where it's clearly pagan in inspiration) to Gaiman's "Sandman" series to the run-off-the-mill ersatz-Tolkien trilogy. --Adam --=20
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