...belated response...

ArchD'Ikon Zibethicus · 23 Jan 2003, 01:20 · from urth-v0301.mbox · original

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From: "ArchD'Ikon Zibethicus" <zibethicus at hotmail.com>
Subject: (urth) ...belated response...
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 01:20:52 +0000
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Sorry...hard to _get at_ the computer these days...

Spectacled Bear:

>>I don't know whether Mr. Wolfe's works fit neatly within a single=20
>> >framework.
>>From my reading of them, I would guess that he is indulging in >speculati=
ve
>fiction

>I think this is a very important thing to remember. "Speculative >fiction"
>and "framework" do not sit well together. "If Rules are a Framework for
>the Mind, Why Should the Mind not Climb Right Out? writes the Sage of
>Dissolution" - to quote another story with a confusing timeline!

Ryan:

>I have also been of the mind for a long time that an artist's(read:
>person's) work is not necessarily the living embodiment of their >beliefs=20
>and thoughts... except in a round-a-bout philosophical >way. "It's his so=20
>it must represent his thoughts even if not >intended...."
>Sometimes we say things we regret. Sometimes we write things we don't
>believe. Sometimes we don't know what we believe. Sometimes we need >100=20
>more words to finish a story, ANY 100. Sometimes something looks >pretty s=
o=20
>we use it.

Well, I suppose the points that I was making are neatly encapsulated by the=20
above quotations.  I think, also, that an author's religion or lack thereof=20
may well, as Blattid also said, "have a powerful influence
on their decision-making process -- including, but not limited
to, their creative decisions", but I ask those of us who have a 'fixed'=20
religious belief and who write either professionally or for 'mere' amusemen=
t=20
- do _you_ sit down at the desk and sharpen the quill with your theology=20
uppermost in your mind?  Or a worthwhile story which will pester you until=20
it is extruded?  Or both?

If your intention is to write about religion per se, you are perpetuating a=20
work of theology or theaology.  It _is_, of course, possible to create a=20
fiction for religious ends, implicitly or explicity, but I would hesitate t=
o=20
affirm that this has been Mr. Wolfe's intention.  Ultimately, however, in=20
BOTLS, he has explicitly affirmed the validity of the Christian vision by=20
including Palm Sunday in Pa. Silk's enlightenment.

However, many authors write fictions to warn against developments which=20
trouble them.  Others simply explore ideas...it's not a hard and fast=20
process, IMHO...and I would think that a 'religious author' _could_ imagine=20
a situation where their religion is ultimately defeated or invalidated, but=20
it would require unusual intellectual honesty to write it...

Blattid:

>For those who do like CW, may I recommend (if you do not
>already know his work) Tim Powers? The closest living writer
>to "carrying on the Williams tradition," except that he is,
>in my humble, a better prose stylist than Williams ever managed to be.=20
>Williams was a fine poet, but in the writing
>of fiction ...

Never heard of him, but, sieur, on the strength of your recommendation=20
(bows), I will keep the proverbial eye out...I wouldn't, incidentally, =20
categorise CW as one of the authors I read for style...bit clunky at times,=20
to be sure...more an ideas man...kinda like Hodgson...tho' it's surely time=20
I re-read CW...perhaps I'll put him on the kids' bedtime reading=20
list...prob'ly the only way I'll get time in the next decade, if Goddess=20
spares me that long...

>Nutria's example of ghosts comes to mind--Russell
>Kirk and Gene Wolfe can believe in ghosts and be quite orthodox
>Catholics.  As could G. K. Chesterton.  And I suspect R. A. Lafferty
>was both about as orthodox as you get and believed what most people
>(and most Catholics) would call six impossible things before
>breakfast.

One of Lafferty's characters on ghosts (very roughly): "You think it's sill=
y=20
to believe in ghosts?  Boy, you should see some of the things the _ghosts_=20
believe in!"

*

>Pan was also the only god to have actually died, according to
>somebody-or-other.

Plutarch?

BTW - my memory's about as bad as Latro's, but wasn't he supposed to be=20
Aeneas, and the series the story of his adventures pre-Rome?  Did I read=20
that somewhere, a Wolfe I/V perhaps, or am I finally losing it for real?

->Zx<-

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