Urth Net

← back to the conversation

TAD - small, scattered thoughts

Alice K. Turner · 08 Feb 2003, 02:22 · from urth-v0302.mbox · original

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: "Alice K. Turner" <aturner6 at nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) TAD - small, scattered thoughts
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 21:22:28 -0500
Message-ID: <urth-v0302-2903 at digest.urth.net>
X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0302/2903.txt.shtml
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_045A_01C2CEEF.0471D5F0"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C2CEEF.0471D5F0
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another useful way to look at it is as a take on the Nixon White House, =
set in a decade that is probably the defining era of serious feminism =
(history makes strange bedfellows). The conceit is to merge this with =
Kafka's -Castle-. Whether this conceit is successful or not will depend =
on you, the reader. Me, I think not, but will not argue. Anyway, it's =
pretty clear that Kafka's Klamm is meant to be Kissinger here, North is =
an amalgam of Ollie North and the rest of the Watergate crew. Etc.

-alga
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andrew Bollen=20
  To: urth at urth.net=20
  Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:47 AM
  Subject: (urth) TAD - small, scattered thoughts


  So I just finished reading TAD. There's the obvious hints at =
Tammuz/Attis/Osiris/Adonis (Green & all the other Billies) and =
Inanna/Cybele/Isis/Astarte (Lara). But as always, Wolfe's uses =
mythological themes & fragments for his own story, putting them together =
in different ways, rather than indulge in some boring reductionist =
retelling of the original.=20

  I read it as using the dying/resurrected god theme, but specifically =
the period between death & resurrection - metaphorically, Green's foggy =
half-life, like Tammuz in the underworld, with Lara/Innanna drawing him =
out.  A bit like Eliot - Prufrock and partciularly The Wasteland - with =
similar linkages between the blighting of the world with the death of =
Tammuz etc & (Eliot & Wolfe's perception of) the wasteland of modern =
existence.=20




-- 
------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C2CEEF.0471D5F0
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2723.2500" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
Another useful way to look at it is as =
a take on=20
the Nixon White House, set in a decade that is probably the =
defining=20
era of serious feminism (history makes strange bedfellows). The =
conceit is=20
to merge this with Kafka's -Castle-. Whether this conceit is =
successful or=20
not will depend on you, the reader. Me, I think not, but will not argue. =
Anyway,=20
it's pretty clear that Kafka's Klamm is meant to be Kissinger here, =
North is an=20
amalgam of Ollie North and the rest of the Watergate crew. =
Etc.
 
-alga

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From:=20
  Andrew Bollen 
  To: urth at urth.net 
  Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 =
12:47=20
  AM
  Subject: (urth) TAD - small, =
scattered=20
  thoughts
  
  So I just finished reading =
TAD. There's the=20
  obvious hints at Tammuz/Attis/Osiris/Adonis (Green & all the =
other=20
  Billies) and Inanna/Cybele/Isis/Astarte (Lara). But as always, Wolfe's =

  uses mythological themes & fragments for his own story, =
putting them=20
  together in different ways, rather than indulge in some boring=20
  reductionist retelling of the original. 
   
  I read it as using the =
dying/resurrected god=20
  theme, but specifically the period between death & =
resurrection=20
  - metaphorically, Green's foggy half-life, like Tammuz in the =
underworld, with=20
  Lara/Innanna drawing him out.  A bit like Eliot - Prufrock =
and=20
  partciularly The Wasteland - with similar linkages between the =
blighting=20
  of the world with the death of Tammuz etc & (Eliot & Wolfe's=20
  perception of) the wasteland of modern existence. 
   
   </BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_045A_01C2CEEF.0471D5F0--






An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net