Jungle Garden

Che Monro · 16 Apr 2003, 00:11 · from urth-v0304.mbox · original

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From: Che Monro <flirt at technologist.com>
Subject: Re: (urth) Jungle Garden
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:11:32 +1000
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>Nobody seems quite to have located any movie that could be a
>"source" for them, but that doesn't seem to me a problem -- after
>all, when the Frankenstein story replays itself in the time of the
>New Sun, it does so without the names, and in a way that resembles,
>generically, the movies rather than the book. So it seems that, in
>the mythic period of the New Sun, which Wolfe refers to as
>"posthistory" (possibly implying a relationship to postmodernism
>and the discourse referred to as "the end of history"), the stories
>play themselves out in generic form, welling perhaps from the
>popular un/consciousness and media rather than respecting the
>intellectual "purity" of their sources (again a fairly postmodernist
>approach).

This seems very Wolfean in style. *nodnods*

On a completely tangential matter: Severian's reaction to the aeroplane=3D20
seems to indicate or at least imply that winged fliers are unknown in his=
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era. If true, then this seems interesting because it implies a couple of=3D=
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things:

1. Maybe "antigravity" is so cheap and easy in this era that wings are=3D20
utterly obsolete. If it's very easy to make something float then you don't=
=3D
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need wings, but if you only have a powerful engine of some kind, be it=3D20
piston, jet, rocket or "impulse drive", then wings are a simple, logical=3D=
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and efficient thing to have in an atmosphere. So it seems likely that=3D20
whatever the secret of anti-gravity might be in Severian's era it is=3D20
something simpler than constructing an internal combustion engine. I'm=3D20
reminded of the shells Dr Taltos provided to the lake people for some=3D
 reason.

2. Possibly they have powerful engines of some kinds, but the idea of=3D20
powered flight has been erased by thousands of years of lighter than air=3D=
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(anti gravity) flight. Thus for someone re-inventing flight in this era a=
=3D20
baloon would be the natural model, as seen with the flying tent of the=3D20
Pelarines, which was quoted by someone recently. They might have a piston=
=3D20
on jet engine, but they wouldn't see the -connection- between that and=3D20
flight, since it doesn't float. Random Observation: Wolfe likes=3D20
baloons/zeppelins, doesn't he? Note the airship in TBOTLS.

Che

Ch=3DE9 Franz Joseph Monro -- http://www.chemonro.com
che at chemonro.com    --     flirt at technologist.com

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