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J. Schultz · 01 May 1998, 17:36
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From: "J. Schultz" <jschultz at wcnet.org>
Subject: (urth) Typhon, exultants, Miles, and RAW
Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 17:36:30
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Just a few clarifications on my position which I wasn't clear on,
Thank you all for responding to my post,
Chris Culver,
I did not mean to say that Typhon and the exultants left Urth. =
However, I believe there is a mention that the exultants are invaders =
from "another shore" and I think it has been stated that Typhon may have =
been their leader. When I say that Typhon returned to Urth, I mean more =
in the sense that you or I may return to our "homeland." That is to say =
that Typhon may come from a planet that was a part of the old galactic =
empire of Urth. In the fall of the galactic empire many areas would =
have been cut off from other areas of the galaxy. These areas would =
develop their own cultures and genetic traits over centuries. (maybe =
hundreds of centuries) I see Typhon as a sort of provincial general who =
desires to rebuild the empire to its glory days and decides to set up =
the throne on the "most ancient of planets" Urth. In the end it is only =
my theory to try to explain why Typhon and the exultants are said to =
come from another planet, be so similar to 'stock' humans, and yet be so =
very different (as in: snow white complextions, extreme height, =
ruthlessness). =20
As to the nature of Jonas, Hethor, and KLS. I agree whole heartedly =
that Jonas, Hethor, and KLS are all the same type of sailors lost in the =
sea of time, trapped in a future they didn't expect. At least Jonas =
didn't come back to Earth to find it overrun by talking apes! : ) =
"Get your filthy hands off me, you damn animals!" (or something like =
that)
Mantis:
I've read the archives and once again you've blown me away with your =
knowledge of Urth factoids. I'm intruiged. Where are the mentions of =
Venus and Mars terraforming and their respective names found in the =
text? And where is the mention of the Xanthic continent with =
posthistorical starfarers? I'd like to reread those sections.
As for the Miles/Jonas enigma, .... I'm stumped. When I first read it, =
I always thought it was vague. Then in TUotNS, Gunny (I believe her =
name is) uses the same kind of Jonas-speak analogies and Sev. questions =
her on it. She says its just the way sailors talk. From this I =
gathered that maybe Miles was never really Jonas and maybe just a sailor =
as well. HOWEVER, I recently reread the section and its really fishy. =
Severian thinks he sees Jonas walking next to him when he and Miles are =
walking together. When Sev. asks Miles his real name, Miles responds =
that he doesn't know in a very Jonas sort of way.
Theory: Whoever the soldier was, he is long dead. His soul has moved =
on and can not be returned. Severian, when he pokes the claw into the =
solidiers forehead forces the body to come back to life. Since you =
can't have a living body without a soul, a doorway is opened for Jonas =
back into the world of Urth.
By the way, If I ever had to get anywhere in the galaxy, you bet your =
ass I'd stay far away from Father Inire's mirrors. There about as =
predictable as a two year old. They seem to take you to places between =
reality, rather than places in reality. Thus everything that goes into =
the mirrors enters some sort of 'Alice Throught the Looking Glass' =
world.
Finally Mantis:
I'm glad your a reader of RAW. He and Wolf are on the top shelf on =
my bookshelf. Strange that I would join one author's group and =
instantly find reference to the other. RAW would call in synchronicity, =
I'm sure. The story your talking about does not appear in the =
ILLUMINATUS! trilogy, to my knowledge, but it is an extremly long book =
and I may have missed it. It may be in one of his many other works with =
the ILLUMINATI as the theme. Be careful, though, RAW also says that =
John Dillinger was actually a quintuplet and one of them was the true =
assasin of JFK. Wilson mixes fact and fiction so well its hard to tell =
when he's pulling your leg.
Hail Eris,
FunkMonkey
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Just a few clarifications on my =
position which I=20
wasn't clear on,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thank you all for responding to my=20
post,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>Chris =
Culver,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2> I did not=20
mean to say that Typhon and the exultants left Urth. However, I =
believe=20
there is a mention that the exultants are invaders from "another=20
shore" and I think it has been stated that Typhon may have been =
their=20
leader. When I say that Typhon returned to Urth, I mean more in =
the sense=20
that you or I may return to our "homeland." That is to =
say that=20
Typhon may come from a planet that was a part of the old galactic empire =
of=20
Urth. In the fall of the galactic empire many areas would have =
been cut=20
off from other areas of the galaxy. These areas would develop =
their own=20
cultures and genetic traits over centuries. (maybe hundreds of =
centuries) =20
I see Typhon as a sort of provincial general who desires to rebuild the =
empire=20
to its glory days and decides to set up the throne on the "most =
ancient of=20
planets" Urth. In the end it is only my theory to try to =
explain why=20
Typhon and the exultants are said to come from another planet, be so =
similar to=20
'stock' humans, and yet be so very different (as in: snow white =
complextions,=20
extreme height, ruthlessness). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As to the nature of Jonas, Hethor, =
and=20
KLS. I agree whole heartedly that Jonas, Hethor, and KLS are all =
the same=20
type of sailors lost in the sea of time, trapped in a future they didn't =
expect. At least Jonas didn't come back to Earth to find it =
overrun by=20
talking apes! : ) "Get your filthy hands off me, =
you damn=20
animals!" (or something like that)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mantis:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2> I've read=20
the archives and once again you've blown me away with your knowledge of =
Urth=20
factoids. I'm intruiged. Where are the mentions of Venus and =
Mars=20
terraforming and their respective names found in the text? And =
where is=20
the mention of the Xanthic continent with posthistorical =
starfarers? I'd=20
like to reread those sections.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As for the Miles/Jonas enigma, .... I'm =
stumped. =20
When I first read it, I always thought it was vague. Then in =
TUotNS, Gunny=20
(I believe her name is) uses the same kind of Jonas-speak analogies and =
Sev.=20
questions her on it. She says its just the way sailors talk. =
From=20
this I gathered that maybe Miles was never really Jonas and maybe just a =
sailor=20
as well. HOWEVER, I recently reread the section and its =
really=20
fishy. Severian thinks he sees Jonas walking next to him when he =
and Miles=20
are walking together. When Sev. asks Miles his real name, Miles =
responds=20
that he doesn't know in a very Jonas sort of way.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Theory: Whoever the soldier was, he is long =
dead. =20
His soul has moved on and can not be returned. Severian, when he =
pokes the=20
claw into the solidiers forehead forces the body to come back to =
life. =20
Since you can't have a living body without a soul, a doorway is opened =
for Jonas=20
back into the world of Urth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>By the way, If I ever had to get anywhere in the =
galaxy, you=20
bet your ass I'd stay far away from Father Inire's mirrors. There =
about as=20
predictable as a two year old. They seem to take you to places =
between=20
reality, rather than places in reality. Thus everything that goes =
into the=20
mirrors enters some sort of 'Alice Throught the Looking Glass'=20
world.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Finally Mantis:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2> I'm glad=20
your a reader of RAW. He and Wolf are on the top shelf on my=20
bookshelf. Strange that I would join one author's group and =
instantly find=20
reference to the other. RAW would call in synchronicity, I'm =
sure. =20
The story your talking about does not appear in the ILLUMINATUS! =
trilogy, to my=20
knowledge, but it is an extremly long book and I may have missed =
it. It=20
may be in one of his many other works with the ILLUMINATI as the =
theme. Be=20
careful, though, RAW also says that John Dillinger was actually a =
quintuplet and=20
one of them was the true assasin of JFK. Wilson mixes fact and =
fiction so=20
well its hard to tell when he's pulling your leg.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>Hail =
Eris,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>FunkMonkey</FONT></DIV>
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