miracle of Apu-punchau, past

Lisa Schaffer-Doggett · 04 Jul 2003, 06:27 · from urth-v0307.mbox · original

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From: Lisa Schaffer-Doggett <harlekin at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (urth) miracle of Apu-punchau, past
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:27:21 -0700
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Don materializes from his past, or your future, or the future of our=20
past present.  Something.

It's an appealing theory Marc, but I don't think it works.  For one=20
thing, It is the Cumaen who facilitates Severian and Hildegrin's trip=20
to Apu Punchau's time.  Also, Severian (in UotNS it is Severian not AP.=20
  IMHO he has replaced both AP and the Conciliator, or simply assumed=20
their function, perhaps through his own design or maybe through the=20
machinations of the Hieros.  In one sense they are him and he is them,=20
but he is also something more.) does not do anything to cause the=20
"miracle".  It apears to be syncronicity.  On top of that the two=20
occurrences are completely separate.  The incident with Severian and=20
Hildegrin has no part in the "miracle".  Oh yeah, I think too that the=20
Cumaen called AP and his city into the future rather than sending Sev=20
and Hildegrin into the past.
Just my two cents.

Don Doggett

On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 11:59 PM, maa32 wrote:

>
> The miracle of Apu-punchau.  What does he do at the end of Claw of the
> Conciliator?  He calls the future Severian and the whole city back in=20
> time.
> He doesn't go forward: Severian goes back.  That's the miracle of=20
> Apu-Punchau.
> To hide the sun, he creates a huge eclipse.  He swaps the moon ... for=20
> the
> future Urth.  He calls the Urth back in time, and instead of bringing=20
> a New
> Sun, Severian has simply called the whole Urth back to the past where=20
> the Sun
> is still New.  He didn't bring it.  He's a phony!  The melting ice and=20
> the
> high tides and the atmospheric disturbances are caused by the=20
> dislocation of
> Urth, which screws up the orbital system and leaves us with ... Blue=20
> and
> Green.  So ... the Lune that Rudesind talks about is actually Urth ...=20
> it used
> to be smaller because it used to be a lifeless rock ... now it's Urth,=20
> a much
> larger satellite copy called back from the future by Apu Punchau.
>
>
>
> --=20
>

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