BotNS in German
Hmpf MacSlow · 05 Dec 2004, 15:01
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From: hmpf1998 at gmx.net (Hmpf MacSlow) Date: Sun Dec 5 15:01:21 2004 Subject: (urth) BotNS in German In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.0.20041205233129.03b67560 at pop.gmx.net> References: <20041203235555.73231.qmail at web14726.mail.yahoo.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20041203214147.03cf27b0 at pop.gmx.net> <20041203235555.73231.qmail at web14726.mail.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20041204084219.02d16d08 at pop.ntlworld.com> <6.2.0.14.0.20041204105007.036bd598 at pop.gmx.net> <17883243656.20041205233142 at poczta.fm> <6.2.0.14.0.20041205233129.03b67560 at pop.gmx.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.0.20041205234518.03ba5e80 at pop.gmx.net> > >I'm just curious if that word, and others that Wolfe is using, could be >said to be slightly more 'common' in English than they are in German, or >if they're just as obscure. I just thought of one thing that seems to indicate that 'Barbakane/barbican' may be more obscure in German than in English: the fact that my English-German dictionary (PONS Globalw?rterbuch in two volumes) does not know the word 'Barbakane' - I tried to look it up in the German-to-English volume - but *does* know 'barbican'. This, of course, would confront the translator with an interesting conundrum: choose the exact translation, 'Barbakane', and risk that (if cases like that are frequent) the resulting German text will be hugely more obscure to German readers than to English readers; or choose an approximate translation that will lose the special flavour but possibly convey the meaning better to German readers? I've always held that, even or perhaps especially in the light of my not understanding quite a few words in TBotNS, these words still were essential to the book's effect. Like Elvish and other strange languages in Tolkien's works, the obscure and archaic words in Wolfe's help to create *atmosphere*, they help to make Urth feel strange, different from our present world, but real, as well. Since they are real words that even if we do not understand them anymore carry a kind of diffuse memory of past times, they also give us an impression of the depth of time. I wouldn't want to lose that in a translation, but on the other hand, I wouldn't want a German version of the text be that much more inaccessible than the original... Well... fortunately for me, I'm only doing this translation for myself and not for other readers. This way, my decision doesn't really carry that much weight. *g* Hmpf
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