AI souls
zvi at vex.net · 07 Dec 2004, 10:18
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From: zvi at vex.net (zvi at vex.net) Date: Tue Dec 7 10:18:20 2004 Subject: (urth) AI souls In-Reply-To: <000a01c4dc23$f8242160$513ec6d8 at rclackey.stic.net> References: <000a01c4dc23$f8242160$513ec6d8 at rclackey.stic.net> Message-ID: <45905.209.167.159.20.1102443476.squirrel at shell.vex.net> Roy write: > Dan'l wrote: >>Speech is breath is spirit. > Just so. And Wolfe goes out of his way to make Apheta and her kind have no > tongues. > [...] What is Wolfe trying to say? I think it's further evidence that Apheta's kind are 'pure'. In many cultures, 'tongue' is metonomy for 'language, speech, communication'; further, it's often used in contexts where the language/speech/communication is evil, tainted, 'bad'. 'Forked tongue' is just one example; lashon ha-rah (Hebrew) is translated as 'evil speech' but it's literally 'the bad tongue'. Is it possible that Wolfe is literalizing the metonomy especially with regard to the tongue's associations with evil speech? By definition, the language of a tongue-less people could not be 'the bad tongue'. Cf.: http://www.mountzion.org/fgb/Spring95/FgbSP2-95.html 'The Evil Tongue' which contains some lovely lines: The apostle James in this Scripture, describes the evil of the tongue, ?The tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity.? 1. ?It is a fire.? It burns with intemperate heat; it causeth the heat of contention; it sets others in a flame. 2. ?A world of iniquity.? It was at first made to be an organ of God?s praise, but it is become an instrument of unrighteousness. All the members of the body are sinful, as there is bitterness in every branch of wormwood, but the tongue is excessively sinful, ?full of deadly poison? (verse 8). --Zvi zvi at vex.net
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