(FWD) Re: (urth) The Wizard - questions -- answers (spoiler)

stilskin · 04 Jan 2005, 12:42 · from 2005-January.txt.gz

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From: acronus at yahoo.com (stilskin)
Date: Tue Jan  4 12:42:11 2005
Subject: (FWD) Re: (urth) The Wizard -  questions -- answers (spoiler)
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Message-ID: <20050104204206.48368.qmail at web20026.mail.yahoo.com>

That's a beautiful interpretation, and one that I
can't disagree with.

Paul
--- Nathan Spears <spearofsolomon at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yeah, I think the killing was motivated mainly by
> bitterness; Idnn was marrying an
> unworthy soulless creature for her father's
> political gain; Garvaon was unaware of
> the true nature of the 'gift' to King Gilling until
> the arrival in Utgard; Idnn
> never loved Garvaon, and in fact never knew of his
> love for her.  I wouldn't say it
> was a petty bitterness, but bubbled up from
> something bordering on anguish.  I
> wouldn't even say it was an ignoble deed.  Before
> the first stabbing, King Gilling
> had just murdered a man with his fist, and had
> ordered what he thought would be the
> murders of two knights for his court's amusement. 
> The final blow was probably less
> hot-blooded but no less justified.  The humans were
> trying to make peace with the
> giants because they couldn't kill them all.
> 
> But it still wasn't a knightly deed, and one that
> Idnn would have reviled him for. 
> Garvaon looked at Able as he died and said something
> like, "You knew," because Able
> was the only one Garvaon had confided in about his
> love for Idnn, and the only one
> would understand all the forces pressuring him to
> commit such a deed.  It was a
> departure from his nature, not an indicator of it;
> his death wasn't a redemption but
> a sign that Garvaon was still a true knight.
> 
> --- stilskin <acronus at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I think you're ascribing far too much nobility to
> > Garvaon and this action. Otherwise he would not
> > attempt to hide what he had done.  But I think
> Wolfe
> > leaves room for careful readers to disagree on
> this
> > and many other points.
> >  
> > --- harlekin at earthlink.net wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > "I'm not sure that Garvaon's sacrifice would
> have
> > > been
> > > appreciated by Idnn had she known of it.  In
> fact,
> > > I'm
> > > pretty confident she would find it reprehensible
> and
> > > offensive."
> > > 
> > > That's the point.  Garvaon gets no benefit from
> his
> > > action.  It's a sacrifice of honor on his part. 
> > > Thus it is selfish and selfless at the same
> time. 
> > > Garvaon's death is a gift to him so he won't
> have to
> > > live with his shame, not an act of redemption. 
> His
> > > place is skai was assured, IMO.
> > > 
> > > Don
> > > 
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