urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 5, Issue 41

maru · 30 Jan 2005, 14:51 · from 2005-January.txt.gz

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From: marudubshinki at gmail.com (maru)
Date: Sun Jan 30 14:51:16 2005
Subject: (urth) Re: urth-urth.net Digest, Vol 5, Issue 41
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And there's the crux of the issue: we can never get into the subjective 
experience of the counsciousness,
and asking does not suffice.  Any decent fake would of course protest 
that it felt counscious.
We can only see the seeming of the thing, never the 'ding an sich', the 
thing in itself.

~Maru

James Wynn wrote:

> But the very term "the imitation game" suggests that in tFHoC maybe...just
>
>maybe...long before the Long Sun and the Short Sun...Wolfe was considering
>the Turing's postulates in terms of the validity of apparent consciousness
>vs real consciousness.
>
>~ Crush
>
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