Urth Net

← back to the conversation

5HC : Skinner, Turing

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 03 Feb 2005, 10:56 · from 2005-February.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Thu Feb  3 10:56:36 2005
Subject: (urth) 5HC : Skinner, Turing
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F9A20AF34F4F962FF90648B97F0 at phx.gbl>
References: <20050203150802.19305.qmail at web25707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<BAY102-F9A20AF34F4F962FF90648B97F0 at phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1f76173705020310562d45183a at mail.gmail.com>

Well ... Of course the "hard" sciences set the gold standard for 
"sexy science" in the 20th century (especially the middle part of
it) - both because they were as "scientific" (i.e., measurable, empirical,
repeatable, etc.) as you can get, and also because they produced
big, obvious results like A- and H-bombs, reactors, Saturn V-1Bs,
all sorts of useful chemicals, and, oh, yeah, computers.

Lots of fields of endeavor then tried to be "more like" the hard 
sciences. Behaviorism was psychology's move toward "scientificity" 
by not merely concentrating on the empirical, but ignoring just
about anything else.

For what it's worth, there's a lot of interesting work going on 
right now that is putting some of the "human sciences" on what 
I would call a genuinely and appropriately scientific  basis. In 
psychology, for example, you have the whole  "evolutionary 
psychology" movement, which is producing some pretty 
stunning results in terms of explaining "why we are the way we 
are," and a lot of it looks to be apply-able, for purposes of 
creating more human(e) "behavioral technologies" than the 
Skinnerians ever could have done.

But my favorite example right now is Jared Diamond's amazing
book, GUNS, GERMS AND STEEL, which I think may do for
cultural anthropology what Darwin did for biology.

--Dan'l

-- 
"We're going to sit on Scorsese's head"
     -- The Goodfeathers

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net