5HC : Utopias and tests

Maru Dubshinki · 04 Feb 2005, 16:31 · from 2005-February.txt.gz

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From: marudubshinki at gmail.com (Maru Dubshinki)
Date: Fri Feb  4 16:31:58 2005
Subject: (urth) 5HC : Utopias and tests
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What you say is true: I was merely pointing out that size is no bar to
a proposition. They can be as big as are needful.
I myself do not think Cerberus as a whole is a proposition; it is
clearly, and truly segmented in three parts, both in topography,
composition (style and historical) and in that they are
transfromations of one proposition if anything. But if Cerberus can be
said to be a proposition, it is laid out nowhere in an unveiled form.

~Maru
Remember what the dormouse said! Feed your head! Feed your head!

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:40:05 +0000, Chris <rasputin_ at hotmail.com> wrote:
> The information "in" 5HoC is not at all limited to the explicit data (the
> words written on the page); the vast majority is implicated by the text.
> Which is not to say that Godel's work is entirely explicit. But we are
> talking about two very different ways of writing or using language - one is
> tailored to try and be as explicit and rigorous as possible, the other not
> so much.
> 
> I suspect there is also an inherent problem with calling a work of fiction a
> 'proposition'; I have some doubts that something can be both at the same
> time, because even a false proposition is not exactly fictional.
> 
> Also, if 5HoC were intended as a proposition, it would be difficult to
> explain why the relations between its elements are so hard to define. Unless
> one means to suggest that it's just a really, really lousy proposition.

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