Urth Net

← back to the conversation

happiness in The Knight

maru · 19 Mar 2005, 23:14 · from 2005-March.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: marudubshinki at gmail.com (maru)
Date: Sat Mar 19 23:14:40 2005
Subject: (urth) happiness in The Knight
In-Reply-To: <000d01c5180d$b8dd9ce0$4c1e4b0a at vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>
References: <20050216153402.3172.qmail at web54402.mail.yahoo.com>	<42196C08.2070407 at gmail.com>
	<000d01c5180d$b8dd9ce0$4c1e4b0a at vcorp.ad.vrsn.com>
Message-ID: <423D22D9.6090502 at gmail.com>

James Wynn wrote:

>>Ah! Finally, someone wonders whether I was playing word-games.
>>The answer is: I don't think so.
>>[...]
>>Do well-adjusted people molest and bully others?
>>    
>>
>
>What is your definition of "well-adjusted"? The word implies an objective
>goal to which one would "adjust". Depending on one's criteria, a
>well-adjusted person might bully and molest. Saddam seems to have adjusted
>Uday and Qusay to do that.
>
>It is difficult for me to see how the happiness of tsunami victims on the
>other side of the planet sharing few of my genes would affect my happiness
>in an evolutionary sense.
>
>~ Crush
>  
>
You wish an objective goal? Very well, I can supply one.

Consider that happiness has a very strong correlation to
the concentrations of certain chemicals in the human species
brain, which is objectively measurable; consider further that
there are brain wave patterns which have a very strong correlation
with happiness, and are equally objectively measurable.  These two
tests can be concatenated for a measurement of high confidence.

Find out of the set of all physical behaivours
which are selectable by a particular human, the action which results in 
a  global maxima
of a scalar quantity of happiness, measured dimensionlessly, with every 
homo sapien
weighted equally.  This would be the ideal well-adjusted, but undoubtedly
is computationally intractable to find, so practically it can be reduced to
optimum behaivour findable in a certain finite time.
This pseudo-definition give you a decent start for what 'well-adjusted' is?
It isn't that it can't be well-defined, its that no one bothers since we 
all know it intuitively.

~Maru
$ mount /world /proc | ps -aux | grep *.hs | sort -d  >> happiness.txt 
&& more happiness.txt
unix tomfoolery :) probably should grep for last line, and echo as 
suggested 'well-adjusted'
person, but that'd need variabless and is no fun.

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net