Watchmen, fascism, feudalism and Wolfe
David Duffy · 21 Mar 2005, 17:58
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From: David.Duffy at qimr.edu.au (David Duffy) Date: Mon Mar 21 17:58:55 2005 Subject: (urth) Watchmen, fascism, feudalism and Wolfe In-Reply-To: <f5238c3050321171569eee2de at mail.gmail.com> References: <20050321104034.72813.qmail at web54205.mail.yahoo.com> <004101c52e3a$7a720200$60a3f63f@wynnhouse> <1f76173705032113121258381f at mail.gmail.com> <003601c52e70$add1cd70$60a3f63f@wynnhouse> <1f7617370503211655626b349 at mail.gmail.com> <f5238c3050321171569eee2de at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0503221127450.9443 at orpheus.qimr.edu.au> On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:55:05 -0800, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> wrote: > > > You want to know a classic that's facistic as all hell? > > > > Read _Dune_ and pay attention to what's actually going on. > > Master race, fuhrerprinzip, the whole works. > > Alright, I find that not a little insulting and downright wrong. > First off, what the hell do you expect? The whole power system in the Duniverse > is feudal, practically fascistic by definition. I mean, I've never > seen a fictional work which had a feudal power structure and wasn't > fascistic. Which can come back around to Wolfe, the Divine Right of rulers, and the natural hierarchy of authority, and the lawfulness of revolution. The Autarch is exactly in the mould of Herbert's ruling family. With a few exceptions, Wolfe's worlds are feudal or authoritarian in nature, and full of warfare. On Urth, the rebels are in the wrong, as they are against the anointed ruler. in Long Sun series, the revolutionaries are "in the right" in overturning the usurpers. However, they merely want to return to the rulership of a King, the Calde, as set down by the demiurge Pas. In the sublunary world, that is as good as you can get. In the medieval Christian viewpoint, this too is as good as you can get. WRT Severian's guilt or otherwise, I think his viewpoint is that of a soldier doing his duty -- which inevitably involves harm to others. Similarly, in the world of the (virtuous) Knight, and of the Soldier (of arete). Their duty is something all Wolfe's characters have to work out for themselves, but then have to act on regardless of consequences to themselves or others.
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