OT: watchmen on trial

maru · 22 Mar 2005, 15:37 · from 2005-March.txt.gz

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From: marudubshinki at gmail.com (maru)
Date: Tue Mar 22 15:37:25 2005
Subject: (urth) OT: watchmen on trial
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Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:

>>Herbert's initial impulse in writing Dune was to write a criticism of
>>Messiah figures, from Jesus to JFK, showing that one SHOULDN'T follow
>>them. 
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>Correct. 
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Yep. There's pretty much a complete consensus about that, from Herbert,  
O"Reilly and beyond.

>>Illustrating their actions, in the case of Dune, isn't the same as condoning
>>those actions. 
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>Also correct. However, it is a fascist book in that it is set in a world in
>which the basic assumptions of facism (and especially the leader
>principle) all turn out to be true. It does so to critique those 
>assumptions - to show how badly things would turn out if they were 
>true - but nonetheless, in the _Dune_ universe-of-discourse, they
>are true.
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>Perhaps the problem is that when I say it is a fascist book people 
>think I'm dissing it.
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You *are* likening it to one of the most notorious, evil political 
ideologies that ever was, and
labelling it a member.  It is rather understandable why 'people' would 
think you are dissing it.


~Maru
What I'd like to hear is your take on the 'Foundation' series : )

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