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From: "Alice Turner" <akt at attglobal.net>
Subject: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n094
Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:17:13
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(Old) newt spake:

> Have the foreshadowing phrases in the last few pages of Exodus been
> discussed? During my (perhaps sketchy) flit through the archives I couldn=
't
> find anywhere they had, so, in no particular order:
>=20
> 1) [Horn writes, in the first person for almost the first time]
> "Here I close my defense, having (as I hope) satisfied the demands of my
> critics"
>=20
> ??? Any ideas what this means ???

His principal critic is Nettle; he has told us this. But just about everyon=
e in the original Vironese settlement on Blue must have clamored to put in =
a word once they knew of Horn's project. They all knew Silk somewhat becaus=
e of the insurrection.

> 2) [describing Silk] "a man well above average height, with a clear,
> somewhat pale complexion, bright blue eyes, and straw-colored hair which
> would never lie flat. A slender man, but not a slow or weak one. He will
> have a scar upon his back where the needle left it, and may have faint sc=
ars
> on his right arm, left by the beak of the vulture [...]"
>=20
> Hmmm. So why does Horn decide to describe Silk so carefully during
> the last few words of his epic chronicle(*)? And what is this "not a slow=
 or
> weak one" business about?

Have you read OBW? Yes, I guess you have. Well, you might call it a Wolfe f=
oreshadowing rather than a Horn foreshadowing. Since Horn is going to inhab=
it Silk's body, Wolfe wants to make sure you know what Silk looks like when=
 he starts parsimoniously doling out clues in the next book. Also that you =
remember that Silk picked up fencing amazing quickly. That Silk body is goi=
ng to become a middle-aged action-adventure hero's; just remember that he's=
 got the skills and the reflexes even though he is a priest.

> Given that the Book of Horn is essentially a religious tract/gospel it may
> be that he feels motivated to provide believers with a "messiah identikit"
> to warn them against Silk-pretenders. (It would be ironic if this
> backfires... It assumes that Silk's spirit doesn't switch bodies. You see
> what I mean).
> [Is there a precedent for this in religious/mystical writings, by the way?
> I.e. "ye shall know him by this..."?]

Not that I know of. Until now!

> 3) "[Horn speaking] 'He [Sinew] should be home by this time'. [a few
> sentences later...] something dark flitted between Horn and the whorl that
> had been his, and he shuddered"
>=20
> This seems to me to be a comparatively clear foreshadowing of a
> Sinew/inhumu "meeting".

Well, we learn about this in OBW. The orbits of the planets are irregular, =
and at "confluence," and only then, the inhumi are able to suspend breathin=
g (as in the burials) long enough to to fly from Blue to Green (and back, p=
resumably). Now that doesn't explain the Whorl, which is in orbit around, h=
mm which? (has anyone figured this out?), but is too far off for inhumi to =
reach. We still don't know how Quetzal got there, but I'm sure we'll learn.=
 =20

> 4) Somewhere not long before the end of Exodus (sorry, couldn't find
> it) Horn comments, I think, that the inhumi are "no more intelligent than
> dogs". I found this very interesting at the time, because
> - it seemed to me to suggest that the colonists were in for a hard
> time. Since we know that Quetzal had managed to reach a senior rank in the
> Whorl's (curiously Catholic :-) ecclesiastical hierarchy, the
> wildly-unrealistic prejudice (as I took it at the time) that they were
> extremely unintelligent seemed to bode poorly for the colonists.
> - on the other hand it could have been a keen satire on organized
> religion. Which would have been very amusing. But unlikely given the
> context...

Quetzal was anything but unintelligent. But, as we have discussed quite a b=
it, inhumu diet seems to play a part in their intelligence. Once they start=
ed slurping on humans, they acquired human intelligence. BTW, Catholics are=
 much on animal slaughter--well, you said hierarchy, and I guess I agree wi=
th that.
=20
> But now this also seems like foreshadowing. (?)

Sure it is. We're going to learn a lot more about the inhumi.

Bjjp2 then wrote, responding to Timothy Reilly:

>  I still think Long Sun is very disappointing.  The third person style of=
 =3D
>  diction chosen is flat and to my mind rather boring, anaesthetising =3D
>  Wolfe's linguistic genius (so on display in OBW and TBNS).  The ideas, =
=3D
>  while interesting, did not require four volumes to present.  As for the =
=3D
>  meticulous plotting suggested by Alice Turner, I can only say this was =
=3D
>  not evident to me -  on the contrary I had the impression that unlike =
=3D
>  TBNS the series was not fully written in advance, if only because Exodus=
 =3D
>  is twice as long as the three preceding volumes.  Nor did much of the =
=3D
>  plotting seem to lead anywhere - to take one random example, what was =
=3D
>  the value of the long (and boring, at least to me) chapter on the visit =
=3D
>  to the talus factory in Exodus? >>
>=20
> I'm a long-time Wolfe fan (and lurker) and I agree with respect to the Lo=
ng=20
> Sun books. I liked the first one, but found subsequent volumes extremely=20
> disappointing. I also found much of the series tedious. Do we really need=20
> three pages to describe to Silk how a needler works? Seemingly endless=20
> discussions while wandering around the tunnels. [snip]

My initial response to the LS series was not dissimilar; it seemed like a Y=
A novel to me. But as I got into it, first with mantis and then with this g=
roup, I began to take a pecular pleasure in the plotting. It's put together=
 like a jigsaw puzzle. Ask yourself how the insurrection started, how and w=
hy Viron went to war, and how it is that Silk is chosen as the rebels' cald=
e. There's nothing in the least accidental about it. Just about the only re=
ally spontaneous act in the book is Silk's wild decision to leap over Blood=
's wall, and his ending up in Hyacinth's bedroom. From there on, he is bein=
g manipulated nearly every step of the way. In fact, you could put his mani=
pulation even earlier, as the Outsider is also manipulating him. Try making=
 a chart of the various factions in and around Viron and figure out who is =
working for whom. It's fascinating. And one single person (not a god) puts =
the whole unwieldy structure in motion. I won't tell you who that is, but y=
ou can figure it!
!
 out by keeping track of motivations and opportunities.

My guess about the taluses is that we're going to see more of them, probabl=
y in RETURN TO THE WHORL, the third book of the current series.

-alga


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