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From: "j e" <lo_phan17 at hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 01:57:07 -0500
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A lull in activity on this list for a while - Seems like a good time to cas=
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a tangents.

What is intended by the opening of Green's Jungles? A man named Cugino=20
(cousin in Italia,) cuts a vine from a tree and makes a staff for a=20
wandering holy man. My first impression of the words used to describe the=20
cutting of the vine are that the vine is doubled in the way that Blue's=20
indiginous life have double the limbs we expect. Note that the Writer=20
mentions Nadi's eight-legged crocs just before writing:

Two mighty blows severed its stem twice, and a third a thick branch at the=20
top of the severed portion. (pg 17 IGJ tpb)

I'm not sure of the symbolism here but I notice the writer ceases to stop=20
pointing out this feature of Bluvian life forms. At least he does for the=20
rest of IGJ, I haven't re-read RttW yet to look for more. And what about=20
cousin Cugino? Is he in the family but not human? Why do his hands make the=20
sound of two planks smacking rather than just sound like that? It occured t=
o=20
me he could be an actual wooden man as opposed to just a wood man...I'm=20
looking for other chems on Blue and he's my first choice. My guess is the=20
tech was just a bit different in Grandecitta.

It seems to me the book (I mean SS as a whole) is largely about family and=20
the demons that family's have. The protagonist, through the structure of th=
e=20
book is simultaneously on a quest away from his family and trying to return=20
to it. A lot of OBW deals with Horn's relationship with his son Sinew and=20
adopted son Krait as all three of them move toward a kind of Hell. In=20
Green's Jungles he tries to protect a family and its town.  I remember=20
thinking at the end of RttW that it seemed sad that the family had been=20
re-united with the exception of Sinew. That's not right though, the fact is=20
Sinew, though still on Green, has survived and has a family. Not true for=20
either Horn or Krait. Horn is a ghost in Silk's mind (I think) and as for=20
Krait even his mother is dead.
I'm not sure that inhumi truly have familial relationships. My suspicion is=20
that if they do it's a lie, in the way that inhumi love or city living is a=20
masquerade. This aspect of the inhumi, I think, makes them creepiest and=20
most real. Wolfe must describing aspects of our world, right? The line of=20
division the book seems to draw is that you are in the family or outside of=20
it. Is this symbolized by the vine and the tree? The Writer tries to bring=20
an inhumi into the family but the effort fails and he kicks her to death.=20
The wedding scene that follows ends in an inhumi slaughter.

Some incomplete thoughts for now... below are a few names I've tried=20
translating on the web.

Italian
cugino - cousin
rigoglio - luxuriance
casco - helmet (united nations called caschi blu)
schiamazza -  din, racket.
decina as in la colonna delle decine, the tens column
onorifico honorary
soldo - money?
sfida - challenge
valicare - to cross
olmo - elm (note Peace fans, and who isn't a fan of peace ---the letter tha=
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begins IGJ starts Olmo has fallen
cuoio - hide
eco  - echo
tordo - thrush
terza - third

Hindu----not so sure about the accuracy but fwiw:
choora - four (the Rajan's knife)
hari mau every may?
jahlee jail?
chota - instantly, a snap, at once, a blot ?
darjan - a dozen
chandi - fierce angry passionate
gaon - knowledge understanding knowing
ram  - a negative value a debit an obligation
pehla - an ornament worn by ladies

German
geier - vulture
wichote - german word but I can't find a definition

All for now --

eule

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