Nightside again, chapter one
Patri10629 · 11 Dec 1998, 13:18
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From: Patri10629 at aol.com Subject: Re: (whorl) Nightside again, chapter one Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:18:02 EST Message-ID: <whorl-v0009-0058 at digest.urth.net> X-Urthmirror-Source: http://www.urth.net/whorl/archives/v0009/0058.shtml MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice work, Stephen. In a message dated 12/11/98 8:36:44 AM, LAIDLOJM at hhs.bham.ac.uk writes: <<Nightside chapter 1 - two things I noticed: 1. the word 'clockwork' is used three times in the first three pages.=20 Patera Silk is 'that absurd clockwork figure'<< Not sure what this means. Perhaps, that Silk, as you say is a puppet of the Whorl and his church? Or does it refer to his odd tall carriage and somewhat awkward manner? >>in the parenthesis in the second paragraph, and he watches the game 'outside a clockwork=20 show whose works had stopped'.<< Pretty sure this refers to the winding down entropy of the whorl. It has stopped. But it is also a cue for Silk's Theophany. He is transported out of time, so to speak, by this Holy Revelation. This is where Silk has his first theophany (love that word!). The Outsider gives him an out of body experience and reveals how he is merely a mechanic= al creation (figuratively) who does what he has been programmed to do?<< Silk is a loyal obedient servent of the church. "A good man following a bad religion," as Wolfe has said. Then again on p11 at the end of the vision: 'a wind that blew ever=20 stronger and wilder as clockwork that had never really stopped began=20 to turn again'. This then suggests that all is artificial, created -=20 the wind is unnatural, but guided by the clockwork maker.>> I take this as something like, "After the theophany, time resumed and the apparent order of the whorl continued. I'm wondering how to reconcile this with Silk's assertion later in=20 the chapter that the Outside will not help save the Manteion, Silk is=20 the help that is being provided. >> The clock work imagery, I believe refers to an outdated mode of looking at = the universe--Ptolemy? The old Gods and the constructed artificial whorl. False gods, false paradigms. The Outsider is from a whole other realm of being--a transcendent God. Silk through his revelation is his intervention. Christ, obviously. Forgive if all this is obvious. Patrick O'Leary <A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/patri10629/index.html">Patrick O'Leary's = Home Page</A> *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. *More Wolfe info & archive of this list at http://www.moonmilk.com/whorl/ *To leave the list, send "unsubscribe" to whorl-request at lists.best.com *If it's Wolfe but not Long Sun, please use the URTH list: urth at lists.best.= com
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