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Has anyone else been following the Falun Gong uprising in China? The NY Times has covered it closely and I have been amazed at how familiar it all sounds. Beijing could be Viron, g…
29 Oct 1999, 18:15
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How funny. I just this second popped off my last message, addressed to Roy, and --ping--this new digest came in, topped with Ratso's reasoning. I do, I do. See last message. Actu…
27 Oct 1999, 20:11
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First, Daniel, there are two lovely trade paperback Borges compendia out, one fiction, one nonfiction. Check out Amazon. And Dan (the other), very interesting about DFW. Roy Lacke…
27 Oct 1999, 19:56
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Oh my, we forgot Pynchon. How could we? Some people even like him a lot, or claim to. I thought -Vineland- was crap, but I don't think that counts. I guess DeLillo is a modernist t…
27 Oct 1999, 19:17
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Well, I'm sort of astonished that there's so much interest in this subject, but it's a kick, too. I'll add a couple of thoughts. I mentioned -Catch-22- as "pop modernism." I'd like…
27 Oct 1999, 03:45
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Alga rejoins: The Rat adds: I add this (depressing) thought: Wolfe's writing may be so complex, and so dependent on the tropes of SF, that he will never make it into a "canon." …
26 Oct 1999, 16:54
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Bradbury and LeGuin will last as children's authors. Miller will last for people interested in the history of SF (as Bradbury and LeGuin will too, of course--the way Sheridan LeFan…
26 Oct 1999, 10:23
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Daniel, -The Sound and the Fury-, which I read in college, had long ago occured to me as something that might have influenced Wolfe, but only wrt -Fifth Head- (and we have detecte…
25 Oct 1999, 23:07
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Daniel Fusch brings up--re the inconsistent or unreliable narrator (Sev) that we've been discussing--the modernist novel. Well, actually, that's not quite accurate, as he brings up…
25 Oct 1999, 13:45
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Thanks for a really thoughtful message, most of which I'm not addressing. But I do want to offer this, in a conjectural way. Perhaps the immediate conclusion, given the odd powers…
22 Oct 1999, 23:48
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Ooops, that was Blind Pew, wasn't it? Guess I conflated him with LJ Silver's peg leg <g>, Well, up next: Blind Pig. -alga *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of …
20 Oct 1999, 20:45
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From Alex: Chenille <g>. There's a funny Terry Bisson story with a character named Chemise. From Wm. Ansley: He did say that (adding Nettle), writing of course much later. Pig i…
19 Oct 1999, 20:14
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How do you know that? I think Matthew gets it very wrong, and on purpose. I think he totally invents the ties to Zoroastrianism (the Magi) and Osiris (the flight to Egypt) for the …
17 Oct 1999, 15:58
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Well, Ratty, you're wrong, I do agree. My very point was that Horn, exactly like Mathew (the most egregious of the gospeleers, IMO--and I will happily cite how), when he wasn't pre…
16 Oct 1999, 12:35
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An Enraged Enormous Rat is something to see, all right, horrid red eyes aglow, lice-ridden fur bristling, slimy fangs dripping... But I digress. The Rat wrote: How dare you impl…
15 Oct 1999, 17:18
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Wow, we're going at warp speed here, aren't we? It's the first time we've ever been able to race along together, and I must say it's a thrill. Anyway, I want to back up "Dorp" as …
12 Oct 1999, 21:08
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I've been lurking on the conversation, so, now that I've started talking again, perhaps I should say that I too am rather amazed at "Blue"... Wolfe's books just seem to get more an…
11 Oct 1999, 21:06
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Wombat! You rule! But we knew about Sev 'n Mer, didn't we? -alga *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
11 Oct 1999, 19:42
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Could there possibly be a more Borgesian sounding town name than Pajarocu? I :don't think so. And the concept of it, a phantom town, an invisible :city--the perfect mix of Borges a…
11 Oct 1999, 19:26
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... Wasn't there an "eclipse trick" featured in the 1931 movie "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" with Will Rogers in the title role? (it wasn't in Samuel Clemens' book…
10 Oct 1999, 14:15
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They seem oddly insectoidal to me, especially the second one. -alga…
09 Oct 1999, 13:41
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Krait's secret first turns up on p 295 and it is indeed what Horn/Silk threatens the revived inhumi with. Check bottom of p 310: "On Green I learned the secret the inhumi wish nobo…
07 Oct 1999, 19:01
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Okay, I'm going to disagree with myself as well. Krait's secret probably isn't the inhumation (thanks, Dave). Though I still marvel at the ingenuity of Horn's strategy and wonder h…
05 Oct 1999, 19:58
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That's exactly the way I took it. Dorcas's distaste for Jolenta is quite clear and J's lazy disdain for D just as clear. [snip] I'd only half agree here. It seems to me that low-…
04 Oct 1999, 19:41
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Robert and Alex, No, we're somewhat at cross purposes here. Horn knows perfectly well how to kill an inhumu--he was present at Quetzal's death, after all. The secret he has learne…
03 Oct 1999, 22:28
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You are a gent, Alex, but I suggest that we take off the gloves. People who haven't read the new book simply shouldn't download the Whorl list for a while; they can cavort around i…
01 Oct 1999, 19:07
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There are more threes. Three people give Horn unexpected gifts at parting, and the third gives him three gifts. Marble asks for three apples; there are three fish waiting on the st…
01 Oct 1999, 11:43
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snip Hi Hat, Well remembered. But the trouble is--and you can check this out in the archives--Wolfe has explicitly denied Typhon's having prior knowledge of the nature of the inh…
22 Sep 1999, 21:18
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PW has a (non-starred) review this week: a summary. Don't read it if you really don't want to know. Civilization is decaying on Blue, and Horn is sent to find Silk, i.e. a l…
14 Sep 1999, 08:18
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Wow, it's amazing that you noticed that! I can't find a slider on that version of that URL s I don't have patience for it---also since I don't have cable at home, I had to wait to …
01 Sep 1999, 21:41
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Hi Jim, nice to see you. Actually, the subject has come up, though quite a long time back. I haven't tried the new search engine, so can't speak to that. But I know the creation m…
29 Aug 1999, 21:12
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Apologies for being inattentive---I simply hadn't registered that Roy had already posted the Farmer's Almanac table, the most inclusive of all these lists. But isn't that virtually…
14 Aug 1999, 11:58
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From http://www.noble.mass.edu/ref/fullmoon.htm Native American Names January - Wolf Moon February - Snow Moon, Hunger Moon, Opening Buds Moon March - Maple Sugar Moon, Worm Moon …
14 Aug 1999, 11:45
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Taken from the web: Tuesday, November 3, 1998 DB: This is Earth and Sky -- Tuesday, November 3 -- a good night to watch the moon rise. JB: Some calendars show the full moon as to…
14 Aug 1999, 11:35
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I haven't really been following the dialog on moons and months. But, as a gardener, I object to putting the Spading Moon after the Harvest Moon. Spading is done in the spring. Even…
14 Aug 1999, 11:09
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Okay, I got it. Page 123 of the Montcrieff-Kilmartin (1981) translation. Your version: On leaving the church I knelt down before the alter, and as I stood up I smelled all of…
27 Jul 1999, 10:15
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My dear corncrake! Chapeaux off to you indeed! One small correction: frangipane means powdered or ground almonds, often mixed with fine sugar. Akin to marzipane, but dry. Etamine…
26 Jul 1999, 20:31
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For those wondering about Mrs. B.'s take on other Whorl characters (yes, this probably ought to be in the other forum, but it's a continuation of Roy's thread), Rose has many meani…
25 Jul 1999, 10:12
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All Yes, I think Wolfe definitely has a book on flower language--Hy's name is all too apt. Mrs. B. agrees that hawthorn is "hope," but I can't say what the hedge means here. Here'…
25 Jul 1999, 10:00
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This is another post I sent 3 days ago in response to Roy. I just realized this morning that it didn't go through., so here it is again. _____________ I've dug around and found an…
23 Jul 1999, 09:21
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Oh, one thing more. Why, you may ask, am I trying to make something Shakespearean out of what might be an ordinary kitchen herb garden. Well, the clue is rue. Rue simply isn't grow…
21 Jul 1999, 23:29
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Apologies if this and the next one get repeated. I sent them both yesterday, but, as Ranjit has cause to know, my newish ISP seems temperamentally allergic to the urth list, and th…
21 Jul 1999, 23:27
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From Wyman's Gardening Encyclopedia: Angel's Trumpet = Brugmansia The leaves and seeds of this Peruvian plant are poisonous. Sometimes grown as an ornamental for its large, whit…
20 Jul 1999, 07:32
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Well now, Nigel, let's not get carried away. -Ozma of Oz-, published in the early years of this century (and a book we're pretty sure Wolfe has read, given "Eyeflash"), has an unde…
04 Jul 1999, 08:53
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Josh, True, I was fond of my idea in a vampiric sort of way. But Wolfe actually vocalized to someone--if it wasn't mantis, or Patrick it might have been Jim Jordan (of whom there …
02 Jul 1999, 20:58
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Clifford, Emphatically, only in the movie was Dorothy's trip to Oz a dream. She was not dreaming!!!! Wolfe was operating from the Oz *books* (where Tip, the transformed Ozma, appe…
25 Jun 1999, 18:33
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Cliff, There's some very good material on "Eyeflash"---keep looking. But I think Sugarland, in context, is the Big Rock Candy Mountain. You know, er, Heaven. Alice…
15 Jun 1999, 22:36
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From Wolfe's complex theology, I'd say that he'd view (and I'd Yes, I'd agree with that. And Jonas, or what Sev believes to be Jonas (Miles), is the closest thing Sev ever has to …
12 Jun 1999, 13:02
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I don't see why classifying Tzadkiel as an angel falls into a religious reading. I'm not a bit religious, and I think of the designation as literary (and useful and accurate, as I'…
28 Apr 1999, 09:41
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The American Heritage magazine that landed on my desk today as its cover story has one of those overrated/underrated features that magazines dote on (this is better than most becau…
27 Apr 1999, 20:20
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