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I went back a bit further and saw that Marc has actually done a good bit of work on this general problem. If I understand correctly, his idea is that Horn left Horn and perhaps w…
15 Nov 2011, 23:38
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Has it yet been considered and rejected that it was not the Outsider or a Vanished God who came upon Silkhorn and was comforted by him, but Babbie, who then became part of him? …
15 Nov 2011, 22:40
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My last post on this topic. I can't believe how slow my brain is.... But it seems obvious to me now that if the hunter has laid a snare, he need not be present when he catches hi…
15 Nov 2011, 16:58
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Possible. But (1) it's capitalized and (2) plutonium fluoride, the form it's usually stored in, is violet. So it's specific to Violet.…
15 Nov 2011, 02:18
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14 Nov 2011, 22:04
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The tree will soon become his prey Six-armed Gods, to fade away.…
14 Nov 2011, 21:46
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Well, not entirely. First, we are not building skyscrapers but rather imagining what they might look like and how they might be built. I don't think Violet is a chem either, but …
14 Nov 2011, 20:52
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Next up: Joyce Kilmer!…
14 Nov 2011, 19:26
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Wasn't the Holy Spirt the White Fountain? :D…
14 Nov 2011, 19:22
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The most likely use of an actual noose in hunting is in trapping rabbit (hare) and other small game. I guess you could chase a hare if you want the exercise. I don't see any par…
14 Nov 2011, 19:19
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And it underscores chems as "people," always a concern of Wolfe's.…
14 Nov 2011, 15:21
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Say it, brother. Lee's comment suggests to me that, since plutonium is never otherwise mentioned but may well be the source of chem energy (i.e., they have nuclear powerplants i…
14 Nov 2011, 14:29
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On 11/13/2011 10:10 PM, James Wynn wrote:much Fair enough, although how do you make a mold without the target knowing it? Same with any scanning. I'll admit we now know that ther…
14 Nov 2011, 13:54
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My post was mainly about Violet sleeping with Siyuf. If Violet is a chem who fooled Siyuf, then the Minister would not be a danger to Siyuf 2. If she is not, then one can only wo…
13 Nov 2011, 21:47
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Not quite otherwise at all. The reader does not sleep with the councillors. Of course, we're not just talking about fooling readers, are we, um, er, hey? The councillors were ne…
13 Nov 2011, 21:20
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I've searched Moonmilk on this with no result. Has there been any discussion of why Sand twice calls Violet "Plutonium"? Note that Violet is suspected to be a (native Vironese) T…
13 Nov 2011, 17:21
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Does Gerry know that the "starry sword" is about the one weapon Orion does NOT use? He is imagined with club, bow, staff, scythe, maybe even net, and so on (not that the pre-Wiki…
13 Nov 2011, 16:26
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Gerry, I'm just going to let your generally assholish behavior here speak for itself. James has already nailed you. How you got this far without the ability to absorb complete pa…
13 Nov 2011, 16:14
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The sun clearly takes center stage, but since the stone-bowl metaphor is entirely gone it's hard to argue from this that the sun is a stone. Similarly, both versions are martial,…
13 Nov 2011, 16:06
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Now you claim illiteracy as an advantage of your argument? I suppose you have no choice. But at least we agree that the sun is not yet risen, but rather implied. Its rising is im…
13 Nov 2011, 02:22
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Nope, no hunting there, Just this: Both siblings would become associated with the skill of archery, and they enjoyed hunting together. It's definitely a secondary characteristic…
12 Nov 2011, 23:43
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I DIDN'T miss your point. If I had never heard of Orion the poem would make no sense. I would never have heard of constellations or the significance of stars or Night. It would b…
12 Nov 2011, 17:43
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Actually, no. I don't think I "see" a noose at all no matter how hard I try---to me it seems purely literary, a play on words already spoken. But pray continue. And Lo! the Hunt…
12 Nov 2011, 15:24
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To that point, from http://www.humanistictexts.org/omar_khayyam.htm: A sample comparison of the two translations from three of the more famous verses: Where Fitzgerald writes /…
11 Nov 2011, 23:12
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That's true. But to be precise, it's not about poetry per se but about metaphor. All metaphors invoke at least four meanings. If we say, Strike off the head (of the beast), we in…
11 Nov 2011, 22:47
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11 Nov 2011, 20:49
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But Khayaam didn't write the poem. Fitzgerald did.…
11 Nov 2011, 20:05
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More than grudgingly! Either the stone is Severian and the New Sun and Morning is the new "day" or Ushas (a heavy weight for the poem to bear), or the stone is a presentiment or …
11 Nov 2011, 20:05
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Exactly. It relates more to the "bowl of stars" in that case. I'd like to hear why the sun might be a hunter, but I agree with this. I prefer these too, though I can see the ston…
11 Nov 2011, 19:39
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What I don't understand is in what sense you mean "be" the sun. It's a poem. I don't think it meaning needs to be nailed down, nor did Khayyam write it for Wolfe's text. Certainl…
11 Nov 2011, 18:23
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You may be better off asking Fitzgerald, I think! The fact that it seems to be entirely his invention renders the point almost moot. But I finally pulled up Stellarium 9.1 to pro…
11 Nov 2011, 17:30
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Why? Note that the later version uses a military metaphor rather than hunting. It's much simpler and more direct: The Sun rises triumphant in battle, and maybe a little phallic …
11 Nov 2011, 15:54
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Not at dawn. BEFORE dawn.…
11 Nov 2011, 15:44
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Certainly the sun approaches. But his herald is Skuld. That's probably correct. I withdraw the suggestion. The relation to BotNS is tangential, of course.…
11 Nov 2011, 04:18
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Venus is the stone, that last star which precedes the sun. I have no idea really, but if Venus is love and God is love---facts which do not escape the author of Long Sun---well, …
11 Nov 2011, 00:09
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Did Mamelta know where she was? I don't recall. At any rate, low gravity in space hardly merits a remark from a member of a spacefaring species. It's to be expected, and pretty m…
11 Nov 2011, 00:02
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Hmm ... Orion would have to rise in the east ahead of the sun. I don;t see why not. At any rate, I can see the sun's light as a kind of noose as well, lighting the entire horizo…
10 Nov 2011, 23:00
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Except that they do what Mainframe tells them. Sciathan is quite clear on this point.…
10 Nov 2011, 21:32
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Why do you think this? Could Orion not be briefly visible? Could the sun be rising right into Orion and the tower standing before his net? I haven't worked this out at all, but i…
10 Nov 2011, 21:31
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I never knew that. Nice work!…
10 Nov 2011, 21:21
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10 Nov 2011, 21:00
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That's right. Of course, its first target must have been set on Urth, whether it changed or not.…
10 Nov 2011, 18:45
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I think Jeff spelled out one possible explanation, which is that Green is to Urth as Urth is to us. That is, back a cycle or two, Urth is our future---one possible future that we…
09 Nov 2011, 19:55
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Hey, wasn't Tzadkiel described as golden brown and delicious?…
09 Nov 2011, 19:39
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The word your argument is missing here, Marc, is "iconic." That rocket lander is iconic. It means something in the Sun Cycle: it is itself. To recognize it on Green it is to unde…
09 Nov 2011, 19:19
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This reminds me of a joke: Why did the engineer read a book of fiction? :D…
09 Nov 2011, 18:48
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Of course, but the question was for Gerry.…
09 Nov 2011, 18:46
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So, two cities by a river could be made of stone with clustered rocket landers as towers? That's clearly possible, but which cities would those be?…
09 Nov 2011, 18:32
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Why would a white Lune be Green?…
07 Nov 2011, 12:13
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My first thought in response is that it is a common fairy tale happening for the Fool to encounter and free a prisoner who turns out to be a king of sorts, or a prince. The green…
06 Nov 2011, 23:20
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